| Waco Hearings- DAY 4 | ||
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| This clip is not available for streaming at this time. Please contact WPA. | Tape Master: | 10947 |
| Catalog #: | 493200 | |
| Clip Number: | 493200-1 | |
| Orginal Film: | 104768 | |
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| Location: | Washington D.C. Congress Sub-Committee Chamber | |
| Year Shot: | 1995 (Actual Year) | |
| Audio: | Yes | |
| Color: | Yes | |
| Headings: | GOVERNMENT: Hearings, Waco | |
| Description: | WACO HEARINGS: 3:00 - 4:03PM - Master Number 10947 - INTRODUCTION: The following footage from the Waco Hearings consists of the questioning of the ninth group of panelists, the introduction of the tenth followed by their opening statements. The ninth group of panelists are: Robert Rodriguez; ATF Special Agent, Chuck Sarabyn; former ATF Assistant Special Agent In Charge of the Houston Office and also Tactical Commander for the Mount Carmel raid, Phillip Chojnacki; former ATF Special Agent In Charge of the Houston Office and Overall Incident Commander at Waco, Sharon Wheeler; ATF Special Agent and Public Informations Officer on the day of the raid, Dan Hartnett; former ATF Deputy Director for Enforcement, Daniel Black; ATF Personal Office Official, Louis Merletti ; Assistant Project Director of the Treasury Department Review Team, James Cadigan; FBI Special Agent and an expert in firearms, William Buford; ATF Resident Agent In Charge at the Little Rock Office and Commander of one of the Special Response Teams during the raid, Roger Altman; former Deputy Director of the Treasury Department, Roland Balesteros; former ATF Agent and John Williams; ATF Agent. The following Representatives present questions, and or statements to them: Slaughter, Taylor, Thurman, Jackson-Lee, Chabot, Mica, Schumer, Buyer and McCollum. The two members of the tenth group are Ron Nobel; Under Secretary of Enforcement for the Department of the Treasury and John Migwall; Director of the ATF. The two men are shown making or beginning their opening statements. 15:00:02 Old footage from Master Number 10946 shows Mr. Cadigan answering a question from Congresswoman Slaughter. 15:01:46 Fresh footage shows Congresswoman Slaughter asking Agent Rodriguez if he received any indication on the day of the raid that the Davidians would set a fire if attacked. Agent Rodriguez replies by describing the Seven Seals. 15:02:37 Congressman Taylor begins his time asking Agent Rodriguez if he told Mr. Sarabyn that Koresh stated, "Either the ATF or the National Guard is coming, but they will ever get me." He replies that he told Mr. Sarabyn. Pressing the issue, Congressman Taylor asks if the second part of the message - they will never get me - was also conveyed. Agent Rodriguez replies that it was. 15:03:59 Congresswoman Thurman begins her time by asking the ATF Agents on the panel if they have witnessed any reforms as a result of the Waco incident. Agent Rodriguez replies that reforms have not yet funneled down from headquarters to individual agents. 15:05:09 Congresswoman Jackson-Lee begins her time by asking Mr. Williams if when he was approaching the front door of the compound if he was under orders to do so. He replies that he was. Mr. Williams is the asked if he was carrying the warrant, and he answers no. Turning then to Agent Rodriguez, Congresswoman Jackson-Lee inquires of the purpose he was serving while undercover at the Mount Carmel. He answers he was attempting to gain as much intelligence as possible for raid planners. Rep. Jackson-Lee then asks if that information was provided to his superiors. Agent Rodriguez answers yes. 15:08:30 Congressman Chabot begins his time by inquiring to Mr. Black why Mr. Sarabyn and Mr. Chojnacki were rehired. Mr. Black states that he never questioned the motivation of the two men, rather their ability to provide leadership. 15:09:27 Congressman Mica begins his time by asking Mr. Hartnett if he was aware of Mr. Sarabyn's and Mr. Chojnacki's threat to go public with the "truth" if they were not rehired. He answers no, and is then asked if he had asked Mr. Nobel to rehire the two men. He replies no. Turing then to Mr. Black, Rep. Mica asks if he signed the settlement agreements of the two men when they were rehired. He replies that he did, and is then asked if Mr. Nobel participated in that rehiring process. Mr. Black answers that he did not, but states he believed that layers had discussed the case with him. Keeping with Mr. Black, Congressman Mica asks if Mr. Nobel helped compile the Treasury Report. He responds that he did. Mr. Black is then asks if rehiring Mr. Sarabyn and Mr. Chojnacki was wise knowing that they were going to have to testify in court. Mr. Black answers that they were not going to be testifying as agents. 15:11:12 Congressman Schumer begins his time by making a series of statements concerning recent testimony, including restating Mr. Hartnett's claim that the Treasury Report was a cover-up. Turing then to Mr. Merletti, Rep. Schumer asks if there was a cover-up of the report. He answers no. Pressing the issue, Mr. Merletti is asked to comment on Mr. Hartnett's claim. Mr. Merletti answers that the charge is baseless, and then goes on to explain how he had sided with Mr. Sarabyn and Mr. Chojnacki over line agents, which, in turn, began controversy over the issue of who's to blame. 15:15:49 Congressman Buyer begins his time by asking Mr. Sarabyn and Mr. Chojnacki if they disclosed information about the raid to the Waco Tribune Herald. Mr. Chojnacki replies that they did, but adds that in doing so, they were attempting to protect the secrecy of the raid. 15:17:13 Chairman McCollum begins his time by asking Agent Rodriguez if there was a written raid plan, and if there was, had it been altered, and if it was in fact been altered, how did he learn of the changes. He replies that he knows nothing about the raid plan. Turing to Mr. Chojnacki, Rep. McCollum asks if the helicopters used in the raid had been carrying weapons, if so what kind, and if in fact they were, had shoots fired from them. He answers that agents in the helicopters had with them their side arms, but adds that no shots were fired. Turning next to Mr. Hartnett, Congressman McCollum states he wants him to reply to Mr. Merletti's testimony, in addition to, comment on the cameraman who had tipped Koresh off. Mr. Hartnett states that the report is written in such a way that if you were a manager, anything negative that occurred had your name connected to it. Continuing on, Mr. Hartnett states that having conflicting statements does not necessarily mean that anyone is lying. In terms of the cameraman, Mr. Hartnett states that the media is increasingly interfering with law enforcement investigations, and that if they can't regulate themselves, that Congress must do so in order to prevent another Waco from occurring. 15:21:45 Chairman McCollum dismisses the panel. 15:28:27 Chairman McCollum introduces the tenth group of panelists. They are: Ron Nobel; Under Secretary of Enforcement for the Department of the Treasury and John Migwall; Director of the ATF. Chairman McCollum then swears the two men in. 15:30:55 Mr. Nobel begins his opening statement. 15:52:55 Mr. Migwall begins his opening statement. 16:02:20 TIME OUT. | |
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