Waco Hearings - Day 9 Footage

Waco Hearings - DAY 9
This clip is not available for streaming at this time. Please contact WPA.	Tape Master:	11001
	Catalog #:	493435
	Clip Number:	493435-1
	Orginal Film:	104954
	Timecode:
	Location:	Washington D.C. Congress Sub-Committee Chamber
	Year Shot:	1995 (Actual Year)
	Audio:	Yes
	Color:	Yes
	Headings:	GOVERNMENT: Hearings, Waco
	Description:	WACO HEARINGS: 2:30PM - - Master Number 11001 - INTRODUCTION: The following footage of the Waco Hearings consists of the questioning of the nineteenth panel. The only panelist is Ambassador H. Allan Holmes; Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict (The Defense Department's Counter Drug Policy Office falls under his leadership), former Ambassador to Portugal and Ambassador at Large for Berdensar. Questions, and or statements are presented to the panelist from Representatives: Zeliff, Scott, McCollum, Slaughter and Buyer. 14:29:38 Old footage from Master Number 11000 shows the Sub-Committee Chamber in recess. 14:32:38 Fresh footage shows the Sub-Committee Chamber in recess. 14:55:07 Chairman Zeliff calls to order the Sub-Committee Chamber. He then introduces nineteenth panel. The only panelist is Ambassador H. Allan Holmes; Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict (The Defense Department's Counter Drug Policy Office falls under his leadership), former Ambassador to Portugal and Ambassador at Large for Berdensar. Chairman Zeliff then swears in Ambassador Holmes. 14:56:13 Ambassador Holmes begins his opening statement. 15:05:41 Chairman Zeliff begins his time by asking Ambassador Holmes if the request to use Joint Task Force 6 (JTF6) was made directly to the Drug Czar. He replies the request came from Operation Alliance to the commanding general of JTF6. Ambassador Holmes is then asked if the money used to fund its' operation was charged to the drug effort. He replies by stating the operation was not reimbursable. Congressman Zeliff then asks why jamming equipment was used. Ambassador Holmes replies to interfere with television transmissions, and adds the FBI had requested it. He is then asked how long will it take to complete the accounting of Waco. Ambassador Holmes replies the process is close to completion. Rep. Zeliff then asks him to describe the meeting between the Attorney General, the two military officers and the FBI when the issue of CS-Gas was discussed. He answers the Attorney General was told the affects CS-Gas has on men and women. 15:12:17 Congressman Scott begins his time by asking Ambassador Holmes if the accounting of Waco will show who got what amount for what services. He replies he doesn't know. Rep. Scott then inquires if the military has experience in dealing with cults. He answers no, and is then asked if any investigation was done to determine if the military's assertion gas should be injected rapidly was in fact a superior plan to the FBI's assertion it should be done intermittently. Ambassador Holmes responds no. He is then asked to elaborate on what was told to the Attorney General concerning the affects of CS, and he replies by repeating his earlier testimony. Congressman Scott next asks if military officers have expertise in civilian operations. Ambassador Holmes answers by stating generally not, except for military police. 15:16:25 Congressman McCollum begins his time by asking Ambassador Holmes if the vehicles the military lent to the FBI had their weapons removed and or disengaged. He replies yes, and is then asked if that the two military officers told the Attorney General that CS-Gas may cause mothers to abandon their children in an effort to escape the gas. He replies yes, and is then asked if that they advised "taking out the leader" during the April 19th raid (meaning Koresh). Ambassador Holmes answers the officers had stated if the raid was a military operation that course of action would be taken. Congressman McCollum then asks if they told the Attorney General that the Hostage Rescue team was going to soon need retraining. Ambassador Holmes replies the officers had stated that in military operations field officers are rotated to insure skills are not lost. Pressing the issue, Rep. McCollum asks who requested the military meet with the Attorney General. Ambassador Holmes replies the FBI's Dick Rogers had, and is then asked who operated the jamming equipment. He replies Department of Defense civilian personal did. Rep. McCollum then asks how the Attorney General and or FBI reacted when told their troops should be pulled out. He replies he can't answer the question. 15:21:58 Congresswoman Slaughter begins her time by asking Ambassador Holmes if he knew that none of the Davidians died as the result of CS-Gas. He replies no. Rep. Slaughter then eventually asks if the ATF was called to Waco because Koresh was harboring illegal weapons. Ambassador Holmes answers yes, and is then asked if the military was there on legitimate grounds. Again, Ambassador Holmes replies yes. Congresswoman Slaughter then asks him if the military is allowed to conduct civilian patrols in the United States. Ambassador Holmes responds no, but adds that the National Guard can be called in at the request of a state governor. Rep. Slaughter then asks Ambassador Holmes if he is satisfied the events at Waco occurred in accordance with the law, and that there was no conspiracy. He replies yes. 15:27:24 Congressman Buyer begins his time by asking Ambassador Holmes if in his opening statement when he refers to the "DOD" providing equipment to the FBI does that include the equipment provided by the National Guard. He answers yes, and is then asked when the accounting report for Waco is presented that there be a distinction between the Military per se and the National Guard. Rep. Buyer then asks if the two military officers in question advised the Attorney General to pull the Hostage Rescue Team out. Ambassador Holmes replies no, and then repeats earlier testimony. 15:31:51 TIME OUT.