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August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:15:50) That call takes place--Ms. Hanson believes that you have tasked her to go to the White House. At her meeting at the White House she informs the White House of the referrals. She comes back and writes a memorandum to you that in essence says, I've done that, is there anything more we can do. There's also a meeting on October 6 with another person saying that you had I knowledge of these things. He informs you about a pre leak and you call Ms. Hanson, get her on the phone, and say, call Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary. So all I'm saying is that this really calls into question how I can believe the point you're making as opposed to these other two individuals. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Senator, this memo we've been discussing, at least in my view, does not confirm that Ms. Hanson went to the White House and talked about criminal referrals in September. It doesn't have anything to do with that. That's what you just said, Senator. You said it confirmed it. Second of all, Senator-if I may say, none of the participants in this second meeting, the October meeting, and you said this was an October reference. Senator MACK. October 6 in your office. Mr. ALTMAN. None of the participants in the second meeting have said they bad their meeting at the White House, I believe it was October 14, at my request. Not one person has said that. Senator MACK. All I'm trying to establish is that there's another person out there that says that you're more involved in this than you are admitting to. I mean, we have Jean Hanson, she went on at quite some length explaining the situation. Now, you have said that she, in essence, doesn't now what she's talking about; in other words, she's kind of freelancing. But there's another conversation that takes place on October 6, at which point you have gotten information from Mr. Roelle, you then pick up the phone and call Ms. Hanson, and you say to her, call Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary. Do you not recall that. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Senator Mack Senator MACK. Do you recall that? Mr. ALTMAN. -The questions that I was asked earlier in regard to this differing recollection with Ms. Hanson, my answer was and my answer is I don't recollect that. I think if I tasked her to do it, I would have remembered it. 453 Senator MACK. Remember, we're now talking about the October 6 meeting. This is a separate meeting. This has nothing to do with the issue of tasking. I'm just asking you the question, Mr. Altman. Do you Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recollect that. Senator MACK. You do not remember that? Mr. ALTMAN. I do not recollect that, no. Senator MACK. At this point we have two people, Ms. Hanson and Mr. Roelle, that have testified under oath that they know of your involvements in these things and you say that you haven't. At that point, I'll just let it go. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I believe they have testified that they made me aware of an impending press leak. Senator MACK. Mr. Altman, I asked you the question, do you recall this incident in your office where you picked up the phone and called Ms. Hanson? Mr. ALTMAN. No, Senator, I don't. Senator MACK. To speak to Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary? Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recall that. Senator SARBANES. Senator Mack, you still have some time. Senator DAMATO. Yield to Senator Gramm? Senator MACK, Certainly, If be wishes to, I'd be glad to. Senator GRAMM. I appreciate Senator Mack yielding. Let me go back, Mr. Nussbaum, to this Steiney diary very briefly. He writes in his diary that you bad orginally decided to recuse yourself but under intense pressure from the White House, you bad decided to delay a final decision. And then he says that at a fateful White House meeting, which we know is the February 2 meeting with Nussbaum, Ickes, and Williams, however, the White House told Roger Altman that his recusal was unacceptable. IWe have a deposition from Maggie Williams about the February 3 meeting, the meeting which was apparent] too unimportant to disclose to this Committee, and here's what she says: "Well, Roger called me and be said to me, I have decided not to recuse and I want to tell some people-I wanted to tell some people in the White House that and then he said I'm on my way to this meeting, but I would like to get a few people together and tell them, and I thought OK And he said, could you grab a few people or call a few people, le, and I said OK" Now, who is this Maggie Williams? Mr. ALTMAN. Margaret Williams is the First Lady's Chief of Staff. Senator GRAMM. You called the Chief of Staff of the First Lady of the United States to ask her to get a few people together at the White House so you could tell them you weren't going to recuse Yourself. Why?
No Life on Mars: Mariner IV Photos Show Barren Planet
Tracking stations are the cogs that made the Mariner IV flight a success. Like this one in Spain they receive pieces and bits of information from the Satellite's tape recorder that are translated into the most remarkable space pictures ever made. Tilt down from sky to tracking station in desert. TLS/MS's - satellite dish at tracking station. Panning TLS technicians working in information hub. CU man talking into headset. CU oscilloscope. MS teletype machine, zoom into CU tickertape feeding out on left-hand side. MS technician reviewing charts at data tape machines, zoom in to CU Memorex data tape spinning slowly on machine. CU man smiling, wearing communications headset. MS teletype machine. CUs flashing computer dials, buttons, counters, electrical boards, etc. Satellite photos of Martian surface. Control room, station.
Spain, Australia Win: US Tennis Titles Again Go Abroad
US OPEN Manuel Santana Becomes the first player from Spain ever to win the tennis championship of the United States and Margaret Smith of Australia proves that she is Top woman player as she adds the American title to the Wimbledon crown she already wears. Santana sets back Cliff Drysdale of South Africa, while Miss Smith takes the measure of Billie Jean Moffitt (Billie Jean King) of the United States. US Woman's Singles. High Angle Shot - Tennis Fans MS - Margaret Smith serving. High Angle Shot - Match point and Margaret Smith takes the title. High Angle Shot - Cliff Drysdale of South Africa serves to Manuel Santana of Spain. MS - Santana serves. High Angle Shot - Drysdale of South Africa serves. High Angle Shot - Fans applauding. High Angle Shot - Match point, Santana serves and he wins. CUS - Manuel Santana holding his wining loving cup trophy.
Kashmiri War Ends: India-Pakistan Bow To UN Cease-Fire
The lights burn late at the United Nations - beacons that illuminate the road to peace. The Security Council receives word from Pakistan that they will join India in accepting the UNs order for a cease-fire in the Kashmiri War. The acceptance comes just minutes before the 3 AM, deadline set by the UN. Earlier the General Assembly voted for a new President and Italy's Amintore Fanfani is the almost-unanimous choice. He will greet Pope Paul who is shown in Rome presiding at the Fourth Session of Vatican Council Two. New York, New York Silhouette of New York City in the evening, lights are on in the windows in the United Nations building. High Angle shot - Inside the United Nations dignitaries have their heads together. MS Ambassador Arthur Goldberg in a huddle with other envoys. MS India's ambassador. CUS Pakistan's ambassador. High Angle Wide shot od UN. MS US Ambassador Arthur Goldberg. Wide shot - UNs general assembly in session. Vatican City, Rome, Italy MS - Wide Angle shot - Christian Pilgrims in St. Peter's square in Vatican City, Rome. MS - Pope Paul VI sitting in St. Peter's Chair reading a Declaration of Liberty.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:20:52) Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir, I don't believe I did. My testimony is Senator GRAMM. She said this under oath. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, my testimony is I called Mr. Ickes, and I 'had a brief conversation with Mr. Ickes. I don't recall Ms. Williams being there. I'm sorry, but I don't. Senator GRAMM. She is talking about the February 3 meeting. She says you called her and that you said to be ' decided to recuse and that she ought to get some people together be- 454 cause you wanted to come over to the White House and tell them. Why the Chief of Staff of the First Lady? Was that the source of the political pressure? Was that the intense pressure? Was that the source of the statement that it was unacceptable? I think people want to know why you would call the Chief of Staff of the First Lady to get a meeting together so you could go back to the White House, one day after you bad said you wanted to recuse yourself and they had asked you to reconsider it. I think people would want to know why the First Lady's Chief of Staff. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I'd like to make two points. Senator GRAMM. I have Hanson's corroborating statement, Senator SASSER. Mr. Chairman, I think this witness ought to be extended the courtesy of the Senate and allow him to finish his an. swers. Senator SARBANES. I agree-let me just rule on that. Certainly he'll be entitled to answer. If Senator Gramm can finish the question and then we'll let Mr. Altman respond. Senator GRAMM. The only point I want to make is that we not only have the sworn statement from Maggie Williams, but we have corroboration from a sworn statement by Jean Hanson about the meeting. Now I'd be happy to listen. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, my testimony is I called Mr. Ickes. He and I were going to be attending the same meeting together, I believe it was a Health Care meeting but I'm not sure. I'd like to speak to him a moment or two before the meeting. I did speak to him a moment or two before the meeting and I said that I was not going to recuse myself for the time being. That is what happened. Senator GRAMM. That was the meeting on the 2nd. This is the 3rd, the 3rd of February that I am referring to. Mr. ALTMAN. No, no, no, Senator. I'm referring to the 3rd of February or whatever the date is of that second communication. If I might also add, Senator Gramm Senator SARBANES. Let Mr. Altman finish. Mr. ALTMAN. If I might also add, you referred to this concept of unacceptable. I think you have testimony under oath from each of the participants in the meeting. I don't believe that any of the participants in that meeting said I was told the recusal was unacceptable. I was not told that. I was not told not to recuse myself I wasn't told please don't do it. I wasn't told anything of that ilk. Senator GRAMM. I'll come back to this on my time, but here's the point. Maggie Williams says under oath that you called her and asked for the meeting. You're now in disagreement not just with what Ms. Hanson says under oath and with what Mr. Roelle says under oath, but now you're in disagreement with what Ms. Williams says under oath . And I'm not the person using the terms - unacceptable" or "intense." This is a Yale and Oxford graduate who is schooled in rhetoric, writing from the heart in his own private journal, and you would have us believe that from the heart he is questionable. But when you were before us, with real questions about whether you have lied to Congress, you assert that you are more credible than this young man's heart? Totally unbelievable. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Senator Gramm, I did not lie to Congress. Second of all Senator GRAMM. Hanson, Roelle, and Williams lied to Congress? 455 Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, I think this witness is really being treated badly by Senator Gramm. en Senator GRAMM. You've been very liberal and I yield- The CHAIRMAN. I think Mr. Altman ought to be allowed to re- spond fully to this line of questioning and then we'll go to Senator Kerry who is next, Mr. ALTMAN. I'd like to respond in the best way I can to Senator Gramm. Senator, there was a discussion on the date of February 3 or approximately that date, yes, there was and the discussion did consist of my saying that I wasn't going to recuse myself self for the time being. Those are facts. I recall that I called Mr. Ickes and that my discussion was with Mr. Ickes. Ms. Williams apparently recalls it differently.
Art Conviction: Prisoners Hold Own Art Show.
Inmates of the California Prison Hospital put on their own art show - an exhibit that is visited by 10,000 outsiders. Stone walls do not a prison make -- that's the picture these men paint to prove that nothing imprisons a man's sprit or imaginations. San Francisco, California The Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. MS Prison gates opening and a small crowd of people start to walk in. Inside the prison there is an art exhibit set up with the opportunity to purchase maybe great works of art. Lady admiring a seascape painting. A prize ribbon hanging of a piece of modern art. Painting of a man. Abstract painting of a woman. The halls are filled with people looking at the art.
Small Guns, Big Broadsides
The Small Fry at the Naval Academy - sons of personnel - put on their annual boxing fest. and they swing like there was no tomorrow. The kids have their ups and downs, but they prove they can lick a spoon of ice cream. Annapolis, Maryland Opening shot - Over a hundred little boys ranging from 3 years old and up to maybe 13 years old jumping up and down wearing huge boxing gloves. One cute little boy sitting in the boxers corner of a boxing ring. A little boy mimics ringing the boxing bell in sing with the actual ring. Two little boys boxing. CU - A very pretty little girl. A little boy wearing a sailors suit eating ice cream. Two little boys boxing one gets hit in the arm and it hurts so he starts to cry walking over to his corner. Little boy still sitting in the bleachers eating his ice cream.
Around The World Easter Morning
Easter, with its message of Hope for mankind, is celebrated through out the Christian world. The ways are many, from sunrise services in the natural glory of Yosemite National Park to Saint Peter's Square, Rome, where half a million people hear Pope Paul VI plead for peace. President and Mrs. Lyndon Johnson attend services in a small church in Texas. New York, of course has its famous Easter Parade on Fifth Avenue. Opening shot - Easter in the Yosemite Park at sunrise, Nevada. Rome, Italy. Pope Paul the VI sitting on St. Peter's Chair taken out to the people, blessing them on a rainy Easter Sunday. A church in a small New England town with people going to church. Interior of the church during a service. Marquee - Hollywood Bowl, California Easter Sunrise Service - April 18, 5 AM. The choir members are dressed in white robes and are standing in the sign of a cross. In Blacko, Texas parish members standing out side the small Episcopal Church, St. Michael And All Angels. President Johnson shaking hands with the Pastor of his church and then Lady Bird walks up to him and the Pastor of the church shakes her hand. High-Angle Shot - New York, NY St. Patrick's Cathedral and all the ladies are wearing their Easter Bonnets to church. People coming out of St. Patrick's Church after Easter Sunday Mass.
Hitchcock Presents: Tips On Movies To Newspaper Editors
Film Producer Alfred Hitchcock addresses the August American Society of Newspaper Editions in Washington, D.C., with the same irreverence that he shows to all audiences. He gives away few secrets of film-making, but makes cogent points about the difference between his job and that of the Editors. Newspaper editors sitting at tables celebrating the presence of Film Producer - Alfred Hitchcock. Camera panning - Editors sitting at their tables. Film Producer Alfred Hitchcock standing at the podium addressing his newspaper friends and editors. Alfred Hitchcock, "Good evening. Good evening Members of the American Society of Newspaper Editors. It is an honor to address an organization whose name has such an air of distinction about it. I feel a great kinship with you people, after all, both of us are engaged in reporting the world as we see it. I assume after invited me here to speak you expect me to discuss my work. After all when Sergeant Schreiber was here he spoke on his work in the war on poverty. When Secretary McNamara was your guest, he reported on his job in the Defense Department. So it is only natural that I should talk about murder. Of course I shall make some mention of my avocation, the making of films for television and theatrics. I hope you haven't grown tired of this subject. I believe your readers still enjoy hearing about Hollywood. That far country where Social Security means that Heda Hopper speaks to you. The aim of a good newspaper is truth, the aim of a movie maker is to create a lie. It may be so real that you think that its happening this very moment, but a lie non the less. Glorious, thrilling and exciting lie. This is achieved by a process of putting pieces of film together to create a single thought in the mind of the audience. May I say I rejoice that we live in a country where the manipulation of words and images to achieve a desired effect on a audience is my business and not yours. Thank you."
Queen Celebrates Birthday
There is a family at Winsor England celebrating a birthday and its a right and royal celebration. The Queen's family has congratulations for Elizabeth who is marking her 39th birthday with some informal poses, surrounded by husband and children. Queen Elizabeth, Prince Phillip, Princess Anne, Prince Charles, Prince Andrew and Prince Edward in the pram all pose for an informal portrait. Let's not forget the family's Welsh Corgi. Exterior shot - Winsor Castle, the Royal family is standing by the pond, CU Prince Charles and Prince Philip. CU Princess Anne and Queen Elizabeth. CU Prince Edward sitting in his pram, he is around a year old. CU Prince Andrew - Maybe around 6 or 7, standing in front of Prince Philip. MS Princess Anne, Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles and little Prince Edward sitting in his pram. MS - Queen Elizabeth holding Prince Edward and Prince Andrew offers the baby a flower. CU Prince Andrew's legs crossed. CU - Welsh Corgi and the camera pans up to Prince Edward being held by Prince Philip. MS The Royal family strolling down the path for a walk. MS - Prince Andrew climbing a hill covered by flowers. CU Welsh Corgi walking around.
LBJ Crowns Queen: Luci Holds Court At Azalea Fete
It's a cool 48 degrees in Norfolk, Virginia, but the Queen of the Azalea Festival warms things up with her radiant smile. The Queen is Luci Baines Johnson and her father (The President) does the crowning. Then a kiss for the Queen from her most loyal subject, the President! A large float coming towards the camera. Sitting on top of the float is Luci Baines Johnson. Children waving at Luci Baines Johnson. Secret Service helping down the young Luci Baines Johnson off the float. Throngs are crowded to into the amphitheater. The President and Mrs. Johnson. All the young ladies and their military escorts awaiting the crowning of the Azalea Queen. Luci Baines Johnson with a big smile on her face. President Johnson placing the crown on his daughters head declaring she is the new Azalea Queen. Luci giving her father a kiss on the cheek.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:25:30) I agree with her on the essence of the conversation. I just believe I called Mr. Ickes and she believes I called her. People's recollections can differ. There'snothing unusual about that. Yes, there was the discussion, Senator GRAMM. You didn't recall this at all when you testified on February 24. You didn't recall this meeting at all. The CHAIRMAN. I think we can't continue the exchange here and stay within our time periods and we had another opportunity to do this but you've had a chance to put your statement on the record. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me review in my own mind maybe by way of helping myself if I think out loud a little bit. I think folks might be wondering Core we're going and where we are. I think we're reduced to a couple of questions here in front of the Committee. What's important is not only what we're trying to find out at this point about these two areas of concern, but also what we've already found out. Specifically, many of the earlier allegations and assumptions about Whitewater and the White House in this effort are not being borne out by the evidence. There's no evidence whatsoever by anybody in any statement that we're now referring to that the President of the United States or Mrs. Clinton somehow tried to affect the outcome of this investigation. In fact, to the contrary, the only evidence in front of us is from Ms. Kulka and Mr. Ryan that the investigation intensified. We know that the President, in fact, signed a statute of limitations, against his own interest, to continue the investigation. We know that there is no evidence whatsoever of the White House specifically interfering with the investigation. We're really reduced to two issues in front of this Committee, fundamentally two issues. One is Mr. Altman's testimony and the question of whether or not we find there was reason to believe the testimony wasn't accurate. And no. 2, 1 think this is a very impor- tant area whether-the whole recusal issues, the contacts with the White House. What was the impact of those contacts in the White House? We know that they didn't affect the investigation per se. Some try to allege that because the private attorney, Mr. Kendall, had knowledge and could give it to the President. But because the President signed the statute of limitations, whatever knowledge he had was rendered totally moot. The knowledge, if any, didn't affect it, so again we come back, no impact on the investigation. 456 So the issue is really was there an intent? Was there in the lack of recusal, was there in the meetings, was there in this back-and-forth something improper, notwithstanding the findings of the Committee of the various investigations on ethics, et cetera? I want to try to explore those two areas, which I think are the center of focus and concern and which are considerably different from what many had alleged, I might add. Now, let me just try to clarify this, if I can, Mr. Secretary'. Did you task, or did you ask, or did you instruct, or give any form of order or direction. to Ms. Hanson with respect to contacts with the White House? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I do not recall asking Ms. Hanson to go to the White House in connection with the September meeting. Senator KERRY. To call the White House, to telephone the White House, to inform the White House. Mr. ALTMAN. Is your question in relation to Madison Guaranty or any other Senator KERRY. With respect to any aspect of the Rose Law Firm, Madison Guaranty or Whitewater. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't believe so, but if we can agree Whitewater is a land deal in Arkansas. I don't know anything about that and I don't think Ms. Hanson does either. So the issue here I think is Madison Guaranty, and I believe the answer is I don't think so. I don't think I did. Senator KERRY. Let me ask you, if you could take a look-could we have the Roelle deposition delivered to the witness? I'd ask you to take a look at this deposition, page 65, where Mr. Roelle is testi- fying that he was having a meeting with you on October 6, and this is a sworn deposition under oath to the Committee, and he says: "It was just me and Mr. Altman, and he called Ms. Hanson on the phone." He also says, "To the best of your memory who said what to whom during this conversation. I just told him about it and he said OK and he called Ms. Hanson and told her about it."
Celtics Take Seventh Straight Lakers loose
The Boston Celtics get off to a bouncy start as they get going against the Los Angeles Lakers for the National Basketball Crown. The Celtics need this game for their seventh straight title and they take the title easily, scoring 42 points in the last period for a record. The Celtics give Boston something to brag about. Never mind those famous Baked Beans. Sam Jones bouncing the ball down court, stops, and makes a basket. Fans applauding. MS - Sam Jones, No. #24 is passed the ball again, and he makes another basket. High-Angle Shot - Casey Jones, No. # 25 is passed the ball, and he makes a basket. High-Angle Shot - The Lakers get the ball and they score a basket. High-Angle Shot - Tom Sanders, No. #16 does a little razzle dazzle and makes a basket for the Celtics. High-Angle Shot - Boston Celtics break loose and they score 42 points. MS - Sam Jones takes the ball and lets it go with a hoop.
Marines In Action: Dominican Rescue
A three-man junta has been named to rule the Dominican Republic as United States Marines move in to protect American lives. President Johnson ordered the landing as shooting continued in Santo Domingo despite the obvious collapse of the attempt to return ousted President Juan Bosch to power. The Marines liquidated two snipers who attacked the United States Embassy, in S.D. A lot of Marine Officers walking. MS - US Marine helicopters sitting on a tarmac. MS - US Marines running to board the helicopters and they will be on their way to the Dominican Republic. MS - Helicopter taking off and Marine soldiers queuing up to embark the remaining helicopters. LS - Marines standing in an open field in the Dominican Republic.
Test Plane Crashes
In the first public test of a $5,000,000 vertical takeoff plane, "disaster" rides as the co-pilot. Lou Everett is killed as his experimental craft crashes during the demonstration. Edwards Air Force Base, Northern California A new Army test plane parked by the air plane hanger, state officials examining the plane. The test plane is taking off like a helicopter, straight up. The plane going through its paces, looking like a formidable jet fighter. As the jet passes Edwards Air Force Base the plane is rocking. You see nothing but black smoke rising from the desert floor as a crowd of men stand motionless. The pilot, Lou Everett plane plummeted to the ground killing him instantly. Wreckage of the plane strewn all over the desert floor, it had to be a very hard hit, because the pieces of the plane are very small and unrecognizable.
Underwater Aquarium: Fish Swim Outside, Look In On People
Canadians have opened what must be the most unusual aquarium in the world. Located at Oak Bay, British Columbia, the exhibit maintains its own fleet of boats. Spectators enter an underwater viewing room and see the fish swimming in their natural element, outside in the sea, kept on the range with netting. In the waters of Oak Bay, British Columbia the fishermen on this boat are looking for interesting specimens of fish and other aquatic animals. MS - The net is pulled up on to the boat and they have netted a lot of fish, one is a baby octopus that is held in the hand of the aquatic researcher. Scuba diver going into the water off a boat. He comes across a full grown Octopus and so does his partner. The Oak Bay aquarium is not ordernary, the windows look out into the open sea and the fish that swim by sometimes look in to the window looking back at the people. A dark fish looks into the window at a little boy who is lookin back at him. CU An Octopus CU A Hermit Crab. CU A Grunt Sculpin Fish. ECU A Rat Fish. - A seal having some fun with the people by the window.
The Dominican Revolt
What began as a revolution by followers of exiled Dominican President Juan Bosch quickly deteriorated into outright anarchy when leadership was taken over by Communist agents. President Johnson ordered Marines into the country to protect Americans and others. Most of the 3,000 Americans were evacuated quickly and effectively. Within a week, the initial force of United States Marines were bolstered to 14,000 men, including paratroopers. In getting the job done, the Marines push the rebels from their strongholds in downtown Santo Domingo. Dominican Republic The street's of Santo Domingo, people are walking rather loosely holding signs and protesting. MS - Soldiers closing a gate. Washington DC President Johnson standing at a podium, "The American Nation cannot, must not, and will not permit the establishment of another Communist government in the Western Hemisphere. We know that many who are now in revolt do not seek a Communist tyrrany. We think its tragic indeed that their high motives have been misused by a small band of conspirators who receive their directions from abroad. To those who fight only for liberty and justice and progress, I want to join the Organization of American States in saying, in appealing to you tonight to lay down your arms and to assure you there is nothing to fear." Dominican Republic PT boat 89 evacuating Americans and other citizens who need asylum. CU - Women, men and children. Mother holding her toddler child and stroking her head. US Marines running on the shores of the Dominican Republic. Two Marines on the roof top and one Marine climbing the building. US Marines taking cover in a ditch, they are armed with automatic rifles. A US Marine running with a bazooka. Huge Communist tanks making their way down the streets of Santo Domingo. Communist soldier on top of a tank holding a rifle. Smaller tanks following the larger tank.
Fair From On High: Monorail Offers Bird's Eye View
There are ways to beat the mean malady - aching feet - while visiting New York's World's Fair....view it from the air! You've a choice, helicopter go aloft on the monorail for a bird's eye view. The "In" experts say this is the speed transportation of the future, but here the tempo is leisurely so that you can get an eye-full. Come To The Fair. POV - From the monorail looking down at the World's Fair grounds. Looking up - The monorail. Boy scouts embarking on to the monorail. The operating board panel for the monorail, looks like a teenager operating the monorail. People walking over a bridge looking down at an expressway. Teenage boy scouts pointing down at 'World Beneath the Sea' pavilion. POV - From the monorail at the amusement park and its many rides. The Merry-Go-Round or Carrousel. Shooting logs.
Capture Red Arms: Smuggled Equipment taken In Vietnam
A South Vietnamese attack on a Red Vietcong stronghold south of Saigon results in a rich prize, a great cache of arms - the largest ever uncovered, following a battle. An international Control Commission inspects the weapons. Some of the most modern Communist weapons yet captured. Aerial shot of a Communist strong hold south of Saigon. Helicopter coming in for a landing, military personal. Rear shot of a solider with a riffle slung over his shoulder. Soldiers carrying out a cash of arms out of the jungle. The confiscated weapons boxed up in wooden crates. Military officers looking over the confiscated weapons identifying where they came from, some were American made. Hand grenades with Peking markings - Military taking down the serial numbers and other markings on the weapons.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:30:37) Now, when you say 'about it,' what did you tell him about? I told him it looked like the criminal referrals were going to become public because one of our investigators had sent an E-mail saying Sue Schmidt was in Little Rock asking a lot of questions about the criminal referral. Question: Did Ms. Hanson add anything to the conversation? Answer: Not that I recall. Then you jump down a little bit. Question: At the conclusion of the conversation, was it discussed as to what should be done? Answer: By Mr. Roelle, yes, Question: About the information you had given to Mr, Altman? Answer: Yes. He told her to call a whole bunch of people. 1-7 Question: Do you recall who he, Mr. Altman, "told-her," Ms. Hanson, "to call"? Answer: Yeah. He said call Jack, Bernie, the Secretary. He named about 10 names, first names, most of whom I don't know and, obviously, the secretary, I assume was the Secretary of Treasury, but he rattled off a bunch of names for her to call and that was the end of the conversation. He then says he understood Let me read later on page 67. Question: How much later did it occur to you that's who Bernie may be-and the name Bernie, did you understand that to be Bernie Nussbaum? Answer: Not at the time. Later it occurred to me. 457 Question: How much later did it occur to you? Answer: I don't know; probably 3 or 4 days later. I was at home and I saw Bernie Nussbaum on television about some different subject all together and I looked over at ray wife and I said jeez, I hope Mr.-I hope when Altman said Bernie, it wasn't this Bernie. And that was the end of it. That was Mr. Roelle's testimony under oath, that you directed Ms. Hanson to call the White House on October 6. Do you remember that? Mr. ALTMAN. No, Senator I don't remember that. Senator KERRY. No memory of that? Mr. ALTMAN. I think it is clear that that is an awfully brief conversation; it occurred 5 or 6 months before I testified here on February 24. 1 don't recall it. Senator KERRY. Do you recall it now? Does this refresh your recollection? Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir, it doesn't. Senator KERRY. It doesn't refresh our recollection Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir. I don't recall having that conversation. Senator KERRY. You have no memory of him telling you that the criminal referrals were about to bit? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, as I think I testified earlier, that sometime in the fall, Mr. Roelle or Ms. Hanson advised me of an impending press leak so at some point Mr. Roelle did advise me of that, I believe. It might have been Ms. Hanson but I think Senator KERRY. I want to get to this. You just have no memory of it. I really want to try to establish it because the Committee is obviously going to have to sit down and we're ping to balance between that. I want to be sure you're given an adequate opportunity to refresh your recollection or simply find that you don't have one. I don't know. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Mr. Roelle did advise me, at some point in the fall, that the criminal referrals were in the works. We had the conversation, which I related, in terns of how to handle the case at arm's length, impartial, at the regional office, and so on. I don't happen to recall this conversation. I'm doing my best to plumb my memory. Senator KERRY. Can I ask you this: Is it really believable for this Committee? We've all been around this place a little bit. So have you. It's very bard to believe that the Counsel to the Treasury is going to wind up at the White House at a meeting to discuss anything at all without you, or the Secretary, or somebody directing her to go. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Kerry, this conversation occurred in October, I believe; is that right? Ms. Hanson had two meetings at the White House, I think, September and October. I was asked a lot of questions about the September meeting, and as I said, I don't recall asking her to do that, and I think I would have remembered if I had. Nobody has suggested that the October meeting occurred at my direction. No one has suggested that. Senator KERRY. I'm not suggesting it I'm merely asking you- In that is not my implication here but, the key, there's a really central Issue here about a young attorney working as counsel who says she was sent over there. Mr. Roelle, who says you directed her to call. Another person who says they remember-Maggie Williams, and YOU have no memory of any of these 3 contacts. 458 Mr. ALTMAN. No, that's not true, Senator The only difference I have with Senator Gramm is not whether the conversation oc- curred. The conversation lie asked me about did occur. It absolutely did occur. l. I just happen to think I had it with Mr. Ickes and I called Mr. Ickes, and Ms. Williams thinks I had it with her. But there's no dispute about the essence of it, I agree. Here I already said I had a conversation with Mr. Roelle about the criminal referral I don't happen to recall this brief conversation. Senator KERRY. I want to come back to this later in the time,, sort of feeds us problems here, but I will come back to it.
The Kentucky Derby
The sun shined bright on the classic horse race of them all. the Kentucky Derby. This year, the 91st running, was given an added (?) attraction when fire breaks out in the grandstand. The fire is quickly extinguished and the eleven starters get away in the Run for the Roses. "Lucky Debonair" gets away among the leaders, goes to the front in the last turn and just about hangs on to beat the oncoming "Dapper Dan". Nest, The Preakness, for this Kentucky-bred horse. Inside Churchill Downs Race Track. CU - Racing fans. A fire in the grand stands. High-Angle Shot - Outside the race track fire engines careening down a side street. Smoke pouring out of the grand stand. Throngs crowded into the center of the horse racing track. Racing fans, lady looking through binoculars. Horses lined up at the racing gate, the horses break fast out of the gate. Willy Shoemaker riding NO 8 horse, 'Lucky Debonair' and he is in the lead. Lady wearing a large brim hat looking through binoculars. Horses spinning around the bend into the final stretch and Lucky Debonair is still in the lead. She Bang and Lucky Debonair are running neck and neck, Willie Shoemaker rides Lucky Debonair over the finish line and wins by a neck. Willie Shoemaker in the Winners Circle with Lucky Debonair.
A Bang-Up-Affair: Jalopy Race Hits on All Cylinders
When jalopy jockeys gather at Hendnesford Hills Raceway in Britain, anything can happen & it usually does. These are stock cars. The only resemblance to the family auto is a dented fender or two as they race a Figure Eight course with a crash, bang, boom! Panning TLS start of race, judge waving starting flag, junky stock cars passing cam. Panning TLS banged-up cars taking turns, crossing paths, causing some minor accidents-- note that drivers are on the right side of the cars. This is more or less the English version of demolition derby, only with more competition.
Hambletonian Run-Off: Four Heats Needed to Decide Classic
Top event in Harness Racing, The Hambletonian, has 11 horses trotting after the rich prize in DuQuoin, Illinois. For the 4th time in the 40-year history of the race it takes four heats to decide the winner. Egyptian Candor wins his 3rd race of the year, worth $60,000. TLS sign: "Welcome to Du Quoin, Home of the Hambletonian." TLS crowd standing, watching from covered spectator stands. Panning TLS harness race. MS white girl jumping excitedly in crowd. Panning TLS/LSs - Egyptian Candor, Armbreau Flight & Short Stop (horses) competing in final heat. MSs - Egyptian Candor & jockey passing cam after race. TLS winners in Victory Circle.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:35:36) Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Kerry, if I could suggest and you may not agree with me, but I think the salient points here are nothing unethical occurred. We've had an independent report from the Mee of Government Ethics, nothing to do with the Clinton Administration, happens to be headed by a gentleman who was, appointed by President Bush, who's looked into every aspect of this. Nothing unethical occurred. Senator KERRY. Well, let me say, I've always had great respect for you and I'm not here to do anything except try to find out what happened. I want to know. I haven't made a judgment. You haven't been tried and found guilty as far as I'm concerned and, I think, most of my colleagues. But I don't agree that it is simply a question of whether or not those findings by the ethics officers are all there is to it. I do agree, in your defense, that they have legitimately determined no laws or ethics standards were violated. I think, unfortunately, theirs is almost exclusively a legal standard. And we're really talking about a standard that goes beyond just the letter of the law, if you will. We're trying to question judgment here. I mean, Mr. Cutler, in his wisdom and eloquence, has suggested bad judgment was, indeed, exercised to a certain degree. I'm trying to understand whether or not-I see my time is up. I never even got to the second area I want to get to, which is critical to this question of judgment, but it seems to me that there is a legitimate question here as to whether the judgment was right. You said in your opening, last question, you've made mistakes and perhaps there was some bad judgment. Could you tell the Committee what you deem to be either the mistakes that you were referring to or the bad judgment that you would say was exercised? Mr. ALTMAN. Let me step back, if I can, a moment. I'm not an ethics expert, but I don't quite agree with our characterization. Recently for obvious reasons, I have look through the ethical codes. Again, I haven't read every word of them or anything like that, but I think they set a very high standard. I think a conclusion from the Office of Government Ethics that there's been no ethical violation, is actually a very high bar that was crossed, not a low bar. This isn't the issue of legalities, this is the issue of ethics. As I read through the ethical codes they struck me as quite strict. I think it's quite something that the Office of Government Ethics concluded there was no ethical violation. After all, we have a situation here where nothing illegal was done, nothing unethical was done. Now, as to judgments, in retrospect, I think the February 2 meeting shouldn't have happened, and it should have been-that 459 information should have been communicated in writing. So that wasn't a great judgment. When I look back on my February 24 testimony, I wish I bad interpreted the questions a little bit differently than I did and then I would have given better answers. There was no intent to conceal the information. But I wish I had testified and put forth some additional information here because then people wouldn't think that perhaps I did intend to withhold it, but I didn't. So sure, there was some mistakes of that type and I could go on. There were other mistakes, but there was nothing unethical and nothing illegal. The CHAIRMAN. Let me say-excuse me. I'm sorry, Mr. Altman. Mr. ALTMAN. Well, I think we're all human, we all make mistakes. These sure aren't the first ones I've made, and I'm afraid they won't be the last ones. Senator KERRY. We absolutely do. I want to follow up with this a little later and I think it's very important to try to draw the record out on this. The CHAIRMAN. We will do so, Senator Kerry. I think you are raising a very important line of inquiry and the second issue you wanted to raise, we will make sure is raised. Senator Bennett. Senator BENNETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Altman, you testified that you called Mr. Ickes on what date? Mr. ALTMAN. I believe it was February 3 or it might have been February 4, a day or two after the meeting. Senator BENNETT. A day or two after the February 2 meeting. Senator Gramm's indication was that you talked to Maggie Williams, you said and you called Mr. Ickes and the testimony was you were trying to set up a meeting in the White House; is that correct? Mr. ALTMAN. I called Mr. Ickes to say that I'd like to have a brief conversation with him. He and I were on our way, or were going to be later that day, to the same meeting, which I think was a Health Care meeting, but I'm not certain and I wanted to talk to him a moment or two before the meeting, and we did. Senator BENNETT. And you have no way of knowing how Maggie Williams got it in your bead that you were talking to her?