LS shopping mall, large sign reading "McKay's Market" and "Denny's Sip 'n' Snack". Good WS drive-in restaurant, nice space-age look to it. Good late 1940s or early 1950s cars in front. Waitress takes tray from car, serves another. Nice LS parking lot and exterior of Orton's Grill, which appears to be a diner. Excellent period signs for Coca-Cola featured, as is a man delivering more of the pause that refreshes in wooden boxes
MS couple eating lunch on patio of restaurant, other tables visible behind them Casual elegance is the motif, with a waiter in BG serving cocktails in white jacket 01:18:24 MS another table at the same restaurant, party of four
LS busy city street, really a traffic jam, with camera right in the middle of it, perhaps on top of car or truck. LS city street, looking more like Wall Street. Different angle on skyscraper above another city street. Times Square in New York, good 1940s/50s cars in scene
NOTE: white spots are emulsion damage and disappear after 5 secs. Stockbroker office interior with numbers and letters scrolling by on big board. Other columns for commodities price quotes. Room with people working at desks, investors seated watching the numbers go by
Rolling, light in contrast and imagery Dip Flock To Wash Out Sin. A big congregation of American Americans takes a chilly dip into the salty waters of Hampton roads in a shouting, singing mass baptism. Over-wrought 'converts' give way to hysteria while they seek to 'drown the devil.' African American, adult baptism.
(12:45:30) Senator SABARNES Mr. Hubbell, I want to put just a few questions to you and then I'm going to turn the balance of my time over to our counsel, Richard Ben-Veniste. At the end, Mr. Chertoff was getting to the scene at the family home, the Foster family home, on the night of July 20. 1 know it is difficult for you to go back over this and I understand that, but I think it's important for our inquiry and almost necessary that we do so. I know you understand that. You say you went over to Vince Foster's home from across the street where his sister lived, having gone there first to tell his sister about it. Mr. HUBBELL. Let me try to make it clear. Vince's sister Sheila lives across the street from my home. Senator SARBANES. I'm sorry, from your home. Mr. HUBBELL. I went over and told Sheila and Sharon what I thought had happened or what I had been told, and then we all got in our cars and drove to the Foster residence in Georgetown. Senator SARBANES. Now, tell me the scene at the Foster residence when you arrived. Mr. HUBBELL. When I arrived, the Park Policeman was there, as well as David Watkins, and they were about to enter the home. I believe that either David or I asked if we could tell Lisa. He said it was the function of the Park Police to tell her. So we stayed right outside the door as he knocked on the door and went in. Senator SARBANEs. He went in himself? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. Senator SARBANES. You waited outside? Mr. HUBBELL. We were-it happened very quickly, as you can imagine. The daughter, Laura, came to the door. Senator SARBANES. How old is the daughter? Mr. HUBBELL. Laura, I believe, at that time was 21 years old. Lisa came down the steps. He told Lisa. She screamed, as you can imagine, and sat down on the steps. At that point we all entered the home, that being David, my wife, myself, Marsha Scott, Sheila and Sharon. Pretty quickly other people started coming to the home, Lisa went upstairs. Eileen, I believe, took her upstairs. Then, within a few minutes, Eileen asked that I go up and be with Lisa. Senator SARBANEs. Now, I take it it was a very traumatic scene. Mr. HUBBELL. Senator, I've had some tough times in the last 2 years, but that was the worst day of my life. Trauma is not the way to describe it. We were in shock. We couldn't believe it. There Was no way that Vince Foster-this could happen to Vince Foster. So we were all blaming ourselves, we were guilty that we didn't-what could we have done to prevent this? So it was-as I'm emotional now, you can imagine how we all were then. Senator SARBANEs. There's an allegation that's been made that You pushed a Park Police officer who was, I take it, he or she, it 56 may be a she, trying to talk to Mrs. Foster and that you Pushed her out of the way. Could you enlighten us on that allegation? Mr. HUBBELL. The first time I heard of that was last year when this Committee had its hearings and I saw the Park Policewoman say that I was rude to her, I do not remember the incident at all. I think, if you can tell by my size, if I shoved someone in that crowded room, somebody would have noticed, but I ' do know that others who said at some point, it was not Mrs. Foster, it was Mrs Anthony that the Park Policewoman was trying to talk to, one of the Senator SARBANES. Vince Foster's sister? Mr. HUBBELL. Vince Foster's sister. Someone came up to me and said the woman is-that woman is-I don't know what was said. I can just only report that they asked me to go and rescue Sheila, and I went over and took Sheila away. If I was rude, I apologize, I really do, but I don't believe I shoved anybody that evening.
(13:00:20) Mr. HUBBELL. I have great respect for Bernie Nussbaum and his legal abilities, I really do. Bernie is one that will jump in there with both feet immediately, and that's Bernie's personality, and that's why occasionally friends of Bernie's would say, think about this. Bernie is very receptive and open, but sometimes you talk to Bernie as a friend and say don't jump in there just yet. Think about it. But Bernie is very open. I have great respect for his legal abilities. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. It has been said if Bernie Nussbaum was within 10 feet of a problem he would want to go over and snatch it and solve it. Mr. HUBBELL. That's exactly right. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did there come a time when you had a conversation with Phil Heymann, the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, with regard to his view of Mr. Nussbaum's involvement in coordinating law enforcement efforts? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. I believe upon my return from Little Rock, Phil and I talked about the previous week. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Tell us, if you would, what the substance of your conversation with Mr. Nussbaum was at that time. Mr. HUBBELL. Mr. Heymann, I believe. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Mr. Heymann, I'm sorry. Mr. HUBBELL. He told me that they had some difficulty with regard to the review of the documents in Bernie's office, that he had received a complaint from the Department of Interior and that he had to talk to Bernie, but that everything was OK. 1 had asked him did I need to talk to Bernie. He said no, everything is OK. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Let me back up a moment and get the time sequence involved. The review of documents in Mr. Foster's office occurred on July 22, 1993? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The funeral was on July 23, 1993? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Your conversation with Mr. Heymann was sometime shortly after you got back to Washington? Mr. HUBBELL. I'm sure of that, because I left on the 22nd with Bernie to go home. So it was at some time-I believe I got back Monday night, so it's likely that Tuesday I talked to Phil for the first time. 60 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In his conversation with you, did Mr. Hey- mann characterize the type of position that Bernie Nussbaum had taken vis-a-vis whether the Park Police could personally look through the documents in Mr. Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, he did. He described Bernie as putting his aggressive litigation hat on and that the Park Police were having difficulty with that, and that Phil had to talk to Bernie about it and resolve the issue. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did Mr. Heymann indicate to you whether or not he believed that Mr. Nussbaum had interfered with the inves- tigation? Mr. HUBBELL. No, he did not say that. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In his conversation with you where he had advised you that it wouldn't be necessary for you to talk to Mr. Nussbaum, you got the impression that he thought things had settled, down and were straightened out? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. He said, specifically, "I've taken care of it." Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, you mentioned Mr. Collier, who was at the time a Chief of Staff to the Secretary of the Interior, who would have supervised the Park Police. Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was this another Administration official in ad- dition to yourself, meaning Mr. Collier, who had a view about. whether Mr. Nussbaum was too close to Mr. Foster? Mr. HUBBELL. I really don't know that. I know Mr. Collier, know him better now than I did at that time, so I don't know what Tom's views are. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. But at this point, to bring closure to the issue, you got the impression that Mr. Heymann had heard from Mr. Collier who had expressed a view similar to yours, and that Mr. Heymann was of the view that the matter had been resolved and' things were working out? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes.
(12:50:33) Senator SARBANES. You moved her away because she was in a very difficult emotional state, is that it? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. As I'm sure all of you unfortunately have been in circumstances where everybody is shocked and grieving, and one of the people told me that Sheila looked upset and frustrated like she was being cornered and they said go rescue Sheila. Senator SARBANES. How many people would you say were in the home? Mr. HUBBELL. Pretty soon-as you know, Mr. Foster's residence was not that small. They had a small living room. Senator SARBANES. You mean not that large. Mr. HUBBELL. Not that large. The room was full of people. We were wall-to- wall people that entire evening. Senator SARBANES. Mrs. Foster was upstairs primarily? Mr. HUBBELL. Primarily. She would come down to answer the phone and be consoled by others, but she went up and down the stairs, yes. Senator SARBANES. Richard, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Mr. Hubbell, before I continue on with the chronology of events that occurred on July 20, 1993, 1 want to bring to closure one point that Mr. Chertoff was questioning you about. With respect to the 1992 campaign files, including materials that included inquiries and other materials about the Whitewater matter, it is your recollection that you had those materials in your possession through 1993, November, until you delivered those materials to Williams & Connolly or an authorized representative of that firm; is that correct, sir? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. So you know for a fact that Vincent Foster did not have those files in his office? Mr. HUBBELL. The campaign files that I had, Vince never had, that is correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, with respect to the evening of July 20, 1993, you were in the presence of the Park Police who were in the Foster home following their notification of Mrs. Foster; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. 57 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. At any time did the Park Police, to your recollection request that they be allowed to search the home for any note or other thing? Mr. HUBBELL. No, they did not, to the best of my recollection. I recall asking them if they had to stay, They said they wanted to ask Mrs. Foster a few questions if she was able to do so and did we object to them staying, and of course not, I think, at some point, one of the Park Policemen did talk to Lisa briefly and then at some point they left. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. She was in a considerable state of emotional distress; is that so? Mr. HUBBELL. Absolutely. Senator Pryor had come and was trying to get his family physician there so we could have a doctor there to watch over Lisa that evening. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The Park Police made no suggestion that the Foster home should be sealed or posted or in some way guarded in connection with any search they might want to make at some future time; is that correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. At least to the best of my knowledge they never made that request to me or the Foster family. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was it clear from the Park Police that no note had been found at the scene of Mr. Foster's death? Mr. HUBBELL, That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you at some point yourself, together with Mrs. Foster, see whether Mr. Foster had left a note in the home? Mr. HUBBELL. At some time that evening, Lisa and I searched to see if there was a note somewhere in the house, yes, we did. We did not find a note. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, you were present the next day helping Lisa Foster with a number of arrangements that had to be made; is that correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct, that evening and then the next day. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did at any time the Park Police come back and say that they wished to search the Poster home for a note? Mr. HUBBELL. Not to my knowledge, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, did any Park Police officer in your presence on the night of July 20 make any request that Mr. Foster's office be locked or secured or sealed or posted or any such thing? Mr. HUBBELL. The Park Police? Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBBELL, No, not to my knowledge. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did it occur to you at some point that it might he a good idea to ensure that the office was locked? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, it did, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Why was that, sir?
Couple drinking milk shake
Dining restaurants
Ext. Storefront & Restaurant Signs
Int. diner
Coffee house - cu of cappaccino machine, making coffee, waiter behind counter.
Eating outside
People eating in factory's cafe
Int. restaurant (dishwasher)
Hollywood, CA - "Chapens Rest."
European sidewalk cafe
Banquet scene. People sit and eat at long tables. Six Men in red "Richfield Boron" tee shirts and white pants eat at a restaurant counter. Business men in suits and ties share a meal. One man in a Navy jacket takes a long sip of water. Some teenage boys dig into what looks like barbecued chicken maybe ribs. Various shots of people eating. Medium Shot of two Richfield Boron workers having a cup of coffee at a table. They look as if they can't be more than seventeen or eighteen years old. Several Close Shots of other teenage boys eating. Piles of dirty dishes.
CO - cheese & food
County fair - amusement park
Line game
Merry go round
Mosaics - making a mosaic