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July 19, 1995 - Part 3
(13:00:28) Mr. HUBBELL, That's correct. Senator KERRY. You made the inquiry of whom? Do you remember who, specifically, you asked? Mr, HUBBELL. I do not. I believe there were it was the male Park Policeman. Senator KERRY, What prompted you to ask if you could make the notification? 135 Mr. HUBBELL. I just-human reaction that you'd want-if-I would think Lisa would want to hear it from me. Senator KERRY. What specifically was the response to you? Mr, HUBBELL. To the best of my recollection, it was something like this is their job and they must do it. Senator KERRY. Did you question that? Mr. HUBBELL No, I did not. I understood. Senator KERRY. But you watched from that location while that notification took place. Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. When did the issue of his office and the question of law enforcement interest in the office first occur to you? Mr. HUBBELL. I don't believe I ever had it occur to me of law enforcement interest in the office. I was concerned, as I said, that it be locked so that nothing was taken out like the trash. I didn't have a law enforcement hat on, and I wasn't thinking that this was any kind of a crime scene or thing of that sort. It was just lock the office and make sure we don't throw something away that might give us some insight into Vince's state of mind. Senator KERRY. The next morning, the first thing you did was execute some personal steps to follow up on that concern; is that accurate? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. I called Bill Burton to make sure that it had been done because I didn't, I still don't recall saying to Mack or David to do that that night. Others do, but I know I woke up in the middle of the night worrying about it, so the first thing I did was to call Bill the next morning, and he said Mack had already done it, Senator KERRY. In the course of the evening preceding, in the course of the night or in the early morning prior to calling to have the office locked, you had no discussions with anybody about any files; is that correct? Mr. HUBBELL. The subject of files never came up. Senator KERRY. I yield my time to the counsel. Senator SARBANES. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. The CHAIRMAN. Certainly. Senator Moseley-Braun. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. I just have one little question, and this is just for clarity in the record. To your knowledge, Mr. Hubbell, was the FBI ever denied their request for access to Vince Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. I'm not aware of that, no. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. So you're not aware of anybody saying " stay out" to the FBI? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I'm not. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Thank you. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I think we've completed the questioning. The CHAIRMAN. I think counsel has several questions, and then we can wrap it up. Mr. Chertoff, Mr. CHERTOFF. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In your discussions with Mr. Heymann after you got back from Little Rock, in which he indicated to you that there had been an understanding or an agreement between the Department of Justice 136 and Mr. Nussbaum which had then been changed, was it your uriderstanding that the change was one that Mr. Nussbaum made? Mr. HUBBELL. That is my understanding, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. It was not a mutually agreed-upon change? Mr. HUBBELL. That's My understanding Mr. CHERTOFF. You were also asked a series of questions by Mr. Ben-Veniste, who read from a deposition of Roger Adams, who is a Department of Justice lawyer. You knew Mr. Adams; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. I did. Not for long, but I did know him, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. I want to make sure there is no misimpression. You're not telling us that Mr. Adams offered an opinion about the propriety of anything that was done in the White House concerning Counsel's Office work on personal documents, are you? Mr. HUBBELL. I'm not aware one way or the other. Mr. CHERTOFF. You have no knowledge that Mr. Adams was ever asked to render an opinion about whether it was proper for White House Counsel to work on any personal Presidential documents; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I'm almost sure he was not. Mr. CHERTOFF. In fact, are you aware that Mr. Adams was one of the two Justice Department lawyers sent by the Deputy Attorney General to the White House on Thursday, July 22, 1993? Mr. HUBBELL. Phil told me who went when I returned from Little Rock. Mr, CHERTOFF. Was it your knowledge that Mr. Adams was one of the two lawyers that Mr. Heymann expected would be reviewing the documents initially to determine relevance and privilege?
Freighter Rammed In Harbor
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Striking views of the Ohioan of the Hawaiian-American line which was in collision with the S.S. Liberty of the cosmopolitan line in New York bay and was beached to keep from sinking as water poured through a hole in its side.
Human Fly Trap Discovered
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Exclusive scenes in the world's largest movie studio as Ed Keye, holder of the oddest job on earth, shampoos his head with molasses and walks about the picture sets to lure the insects from in front of the camera lenses.
Six Day Bike Race Starts
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Unusual views at Madison Square Garden as fifteen teams, representing seven countries, get away from the first night's sprinting around the big pine saucer in the fifty-fifth international grind to be held in Gorham.
July 19, 1995 - Part 3
(13:05:35) Mr. HUBBELL. My understanding from Phil was that he had sent Dave Margolis and Roger Adams. Mr. CHERTOFF. To do that job? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was it your understanding from Philip Heymann that Mr. Nussbaum did not let them do that job? Mr. HUBBELL. That's my understanding. Mr. CHERTOFF. Finally, let me turn your attention to one issue that was raised, I think, by Mr. Ben-Veniste concerning normal civil litigation when you get a request for documents, and we talked about doing an inventory. In a situation where there's a subpoena in civil litigation, it's customary either to turn the documents over or to make a record of all the documents that you are withholding; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. It's normal that if you're withholding a document- whether there's a subpoena or in just normal discovery, if you're withholding a document, you prepare what is called a privilege log, which gives some description of the document, that doesn't waive the privilege but gives some idea of what the document that is being withheld is, Mr. CHERTOFF. The point of that, is to have a record of every sin- document that is potentially relevant so that there can be no question afterwards whether someone has either turned over documents or has identified documents that are being withheld? Mr. HUBBELL. That's the case in civil litigation, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. When a log or a record of documents is not maintained it becomes very difficult, if not impossible, after the fact ever 137 to demonstrate an accounting of all the documents in a particular office; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. I'm done, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, in the effort of having counsel illuminate this matter, I think Mr. Ben-Veniste ought to have a couple of followup questions. The CHAIRMAN. Certainly. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Just following up on civil litigation, when there is a subpoena, the subpoena calls for some item relevant to the litigation in question, and then there is an issue about whether, within the scope of what's called for there is some privileged material; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In connection with the request made by the police to search Mr. Foster's office, the scope of what they were looking for was a suicide note or related information demonstrating Mr. Foster's state of mind; is that correct, sir? Mr. HUBBELL. I assume, but I don't know that for sure because I wasn't privy to what the scope of the review was going to be. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, finally, with respect to what Mr. Chertoff has raised about Mr. Adams-and if there is any confusion on this record, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make sure that it is removed. I was not suggesting that Mr. Adams was called upon to render an opinion about the appropriateness of legal counsel doing work on the private papers of the President in connection with his official duties- What I was referring to was the testimony of' Mr. Adams that It did not offend him at all that Counsel or Deputy Counsel to the President did some work for the President or the First Lady, I hope that clarifies his testimony. The CHAIRMAN, Certainly. It doesn't offend this Senator, understanding the nature of counsel and particular relationships, that, obviously, there is going to be some work overlapping, particularly as it relates to public disclosures, et cetera. 1 mean, when we go beyond, that may be a different matter. But, certainly, in our own experience making out financial disclosures, tell me where and when you should make a differentiation as it relates to personal and public, So I say we want to attempt to be fair and to be clear in this matter. Senator, if there are any other Senator SARBANES, I just have a couple of comments. Mr. Chairman, 1 first want to say to Mr. Hubbell that 1 think he's been a forthcoming witness, and we appreciate that. I particularly appreciate him saying "I just don't know" when he doesn't know. That is important, and he was careful about that. So he gave us the best testimony that he could give us, and in areas where he was asked about other matters and lie didn't know, he said he didn't know. I think, in its own way, that is forthcoming. I also want to make, in that regard, this point about some other questions that are put. I know that the Chairman can't control, none of us can control, the questions that are put, but I do have to observe that some questions that were put contained premises that I think are just off the horizon, so to speak. The witness says I never heard of anything like that or I don't know anything about 138 something like that, but of course the question is put with a certain premise contained to the question.
Garner Signs Patman Bonus
Short Clip - Over exposed John Nance affixes his signature to the ill-fated Patman Cash Payment Bonus Bill (Patman Bill or Veteran s Bonus Bill, Bonus March) to the measure providing for immediate payment of adjusted compensation certificates as the bill is sped to the white house.
Saxon King Wins Metropolitian Turf Handicap
Rolling light in contrast and imagery A stirring neck-and-neck dash to the finish gives King Saxon a thrilling victory over Singing Wood in the Metropolitan Handicap. Twenty thousand spectators wildly cheer the forty-second running of the turf classic.
First Group Of Farm Pioneers Reaches Alaska
A little rolling light in contrast and imagery The first contingent of immigrant farmers reaches its 'Land of Promise' as other large groups from drought-stricken middle western areas prepare to sail from Seattle, Washington. With aid from the government.
Peace Talk Prompts Styles
A little rolling light in contrast and imagery Gladys parker, irrepressible cartoonist and designer, exhibits a starling series of costume models inspired by the international conferences at Stresa, Italy. Fashion models walking and smiling on the cat-walk. The first model is wearing a sheer coat-dress with sequins. The two models who come up next are wearing summery type dresses. The next model is wear checker trousers with a halter top adorned with a bow by the neck and a straw hat. This model walks on the bar and stops by two men who are drinking, she is sporting a sun outfit. These models are wearing mini dresses and their walking on the bar and the men who are drinking are really downing the drinks.
July 19, 1995 - Part 1
(10:10:39) Mr. HUBBELL. If I had the time and the resources. Senator BOND. If there were items in there that you felt might be within the scope of the request, but would be subject to a privilege, you would indicate a description of the document without the content and indicate that it was privileged? Mr. HUBBELL. That's the way it's handled in a lot of civil litigation, yes, sir. Senator BOND. Are you aware of any documentation made of the contents of Mr. Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. Not one way or the other, Senator BOND. Are you aware of any notes taken by the Associate White House Counsel and Mr. Foster's attorney after the death? Mr. HUBBELL. Not one way or the other, Senator. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Bond. We'll return to this side because we only have a minute left. Senator Kerry. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR JOHN F. KERRY Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hubbell, you were not really directly involved in any of the ctual search for any files in Mr. Foster's office; correct? 84 Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. You, in effect, took yourself completely out of the investigation portion with respect to the office; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct, Senator. Senator KERRY. You issued no orders with respect to the search?, Mr. HUBBELL. I was acting as a family friend from the moment., I heard of Vince's death, and I don't believe I issued any orders. Senator KERRY. So, essentially, any questions that have been asked of you with respect to the search of the office, whatever you know, you only know as a secondhand matter; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. Regarding Vince's office, that's correct. Senator KERRY. Do you, as a matter of fact, now know that the' Park Police succeeded in seeing each file that they wanted to see? Mr. HUBBELL. I don't know one way or the other. Senator KERRY. You have no knowledge whatsoever? Mr. HUBBELL. I do not. Senator KERRY. You can't shed any light on the central question that's on this Committee about the handling of the documents? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. Now, at some point prior to coming to Washington during the course of the campaign, you came to have possession of the so-called Whitewater files; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I don't know what people mean by Whitewater file, Senator KERRY. You had a file that was built up in the course of the campaign to respond to questions during the campaign? Mr. HUBBELL. I had a file that had been assimilated by the campaign that was labeled Whitewater, but I don't necessarily-and I'm sure that was not all the Whitewater files. Senator KERRY. But whatever you had, were you the designated holder, in a sense, of the campaign's accrued information on this issue? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY, It was an issue that was brought up several times during the course of the campaign and the campaign needed to respond? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. You were the central repository of that information? Mr. HUBBELL. After the election, yes. Senator KERRY. After the election you took that central repository and you put it in your home? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. After you put it in your home in Little Rock, at some point it came to be in your home in Washington? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Senator KERRY. But it never went to the Justice Department? Mr. HUBBELL. Never went to the Justice Department. Senator KERRY. It never went to Vince Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. No, it did not. Senator KERRY. You never had a conversation with Vince Foster about the files that you had, did you? Mr. HUBBELL. Vince was aware that I had the campaign files, but not what they were. 85 Senator KERRY. You never gave him any portion of them? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I did not. Senator KERRY. Did Vince ever call you and ask you a question about your files? Mr. HUBBELL. No, Vince did not. Senator KERRY. In effect, while you were the central repository of this information in the course of the campaign and retained all of the files from the campaign, which was about as heated and as intense a period of scrutiny as you could find, those files never found their way into Vince Foster's hands? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. Nor to the White House? Mr. HUBBELL. Nor to the White House, except for one file that's not related to Whitewater in any way. Senator KERRY. Now, it's my understand ing-again, this is secondhand for you, it's secondhand for all of us, but with respect to the question Senator Shelby was asking, it's my understanding that the Park Police were not there to specifically look at a Whitewater file?
Bank
Bank MS elderly woman standing outside communicating with drive-thru window teller, the drawer opens & woman takes her bank book out. MCU Orange Police officer standing under "Nation Bank" sign, a man dressed in suit & tie enters the frame, the two talk. CU sign with reading 62 degrees in temperature. MSs elderly woman being greeted by elderly man at the glass door entrance to bank.
Water Birds - Coot
(Tape 1) 18:58:45 Dead coot frozen in ice by blizzard
Bear of Yellowstone
Bear of Yellowstone - Tourists encourage mother bear & her cubs to approach car for snacks & pictures (Late 1950s-early 1960s). Good color & clarity.
Bear of Yellowstone
Bear of Yellowstone - Tourists encourage mother bear & her cub to approach car (Late 1950s-early 1960s). MS mother bear & her cub sniffing the ground. MS juvenile bear in the street, male tourists have gotten out of their cars to get a closer view, one guy ridiculously puts his hand out to pet the animal, pan as bear walks past the small crowd.
Bear of Yellowstone
Bear of Yellowstone - Tourists encourage mother bear & her cubs to approach car for snacks & pictures (Late 1950s-early 1960s). Good color & clarity.
Washington Monument
Washington Monument TLS Washington Monument framed by several trees in FG against bright blue sky BG. TLS Washington Monument w/paddle boat on the river in FG. TLS Washington Monument w/pedestrians strolling along riverfront path in FG (spring). TLS Washington Monument w/Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool in FG. TLS The Lincoln Memorial, Memorial Bridge and Washington Monument across the Potomac River, seen through branches of leafless trees in FG (early spring). Slightly elevated TLS Washington Monument w/Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool in FG, pedestrian tourist seen walking about, beautiful late 1940s/early 1950s era cars pass on road in front of the reflecting pool (summer).
Washington DC Landmarks
Washington DC Landmarks GV facade of building w/ionic columns above entrance, city busses & cars pass in FG. TLS 1950s era vehicles driving across the Lincoln Memorial Bridge, Lincoln Memorial & Washington Monument seen in BG. LS South Portico of the White House obscured by leafless trees in FG. LS Lincoln memorial seen through branched of leafless tree in FG. Angled GV entrance to the Supreme Court Building.
Two Endurance Fliers Land
Rolling - shaky dull and light in imagery Imperiled by high winds, which prevented them from making contact with their refueling plane, Frances Harrell and Viola Gentry are forced down after remaining aloft for 28 hours.
2 Die As Speeding Flyer Jumps Tracks
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Rounding a sharp 's' curve at Mount Logan, the Crack Chesapeake and Ohio Express 'the sportsman' leaves the rails, killing the engineer and a 'blind baggage' rider and injuring five others.
Roller Skaters Start South
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Leaving City Hall, Jack Loreen and Budd Donnelly begin a long journey to Miami, Florida. With good winds and steep down grades the men hope to average 100 miles a day and reach their destination by Christmas.
Capitol Journal - Nicaragua and Contra Funding
Capitol Journal - Nicaragua and Contra Funding: US Congressional Delegation in Nicaragua
Water Birds - Goose
(Tape 1) 20:05:51 Goose flying in slow motion
Sky Spills Death: Five Die as Plane Hits NY Borough
Sky Spills Death: Five Die as Plane Hits NY Borough For the fifth time in four months, death strikes from the skies in the metropolitan area of New York City. A C-46 cargo plane carrying a cargo of flowers and lingerie plummets down onto a house in Queens, killing five persons and injuring scores. Scenes of the aftermath. Smoldering single-family home. People walking amid wreckage in a neighborhood. Clothing (which was cargo) hanging from trees. Tangled wreck of a car. More destruction of homes. Sad shots of medical personnel at hospital, tending to the injured: doctor examines bandaged hand of patient, nurse with another woman in hospital bed. Tragedy.
Model U.N. Conference Held at USC.
Model U.N. Conference Held at USC. World government on the college campus. A model United Nations conference sponsored by the University of Southern California, and attended by students from many colleges and universities, including students from foreign lands. Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt makes a special film address to the group. Establishing shot, building on USC campus, large crowd in front. Scenes of registration, event. At banquet, Mr. Scott Hanson (official United Nations representative to the film industry, says the VO) introduces Benjamin Cohen, Asst. Secretary-General of the UN. Various awards presented by actress Mary Pickford. Interesting behind-the-scenes shot of Eleanor Roosevelt in front of camera, clapper doing his thing, microphone in view. Section of her speech, encouraging the students in their endeavor and in patience in achieving their ends.