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Lynda's Shower
Lynda Bird Johnson is given a bridal shower at the home of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. Only her closet friends attend. She'll be wed to Marine Captain Chuck Robb on December 17th. Lynda Bird Johnson and Mrs. Johnson walk from their car and are greeted by Mrs. McNamara at her front door. They shake hands, and pose for the camera. Close-up of Lynda.
India's Pilgrims
45. The 8-days bathing festival on the River Ganges brings more than a million Hindu pilgrims to the annual celebration. A dip in the water means purification and salvation and is also a thanksgiving for bumper crops. Flocks of Hindus walk caring children and supplies while dressed in traditional attire. One family rides a top an elephant. Various shots of a tent city along the Ganges. Shots of individual camps with the city. The river's shoreline. Hundreds of pilgrims wad in the water, and some bring their cows. Close-ups of individual pilgrims .
Football
Southern Cal becomes Pacific Coast champs and are Rose Bowl-bound after their 21-20 victory over UCLA. Trojan back O.J. Simpson scores the winning T.D. on a 64-yard run. Bruin quarterback Gary Beban is brilliant in defeat throwing two touchdown passes, as he duels with Simpson for Heismann Trophy honors. A black screen reads, "Football - USC 21 - UCLA 20." Crowd shot. Various plays: run, interception, TD, kick-off and field goal. Three plays involving OJ Simpson, including a 64-yard TD run.
July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(14:00:38) Senator BENNETT. As I say, I'm not trying to read anything into this. I just want to know and I think your answer has been forthcoming, and it contributes to the kind of let's -settle-this-once-andfor-all attitude that we're hearing here. We can put this aside now as anything sinister and I'm happy to do that. Mr. MONROE. There's nothing sinister whatsoever. Senator BENNETT. The second one is in the same category, I'm curious. The FBI identified carpet-type fibers of various colors, They contain red, dark pink wool fibers on various pieces of his clothing. Does the FBI have any idea where that came from? Was there any attempt made to -match that with any carpet in his home, car, or office? Mr. MONROE. No, sir, and for the same reasons I provided in response to your first question relative to the hairs. They were multiple colors. We bad no way to match those particular carpets up, outside the fact that they most likely came from his residence or from his office, and if we had any knowledge of any other venue or location he might have been at, specifically the day of his death, we would have done it. So once again, Senator, nothing sinister whatsoever. Senator BENNETT. Thank you, You made reference to the fact that the clothing might have been contaminated by being mixed with other clothing as part of the investigation. Is that one of the irregularities, significant or not, to which you would refer in response to the kind of thing that Senator Mack was talking about, that in 'hindsight, the clothing should have been sequestered better than it was or, once again, is that an insignificant item? Once a again, I don't know, I'm just curious. Mr. MONROE. It could gave been very significant. The clothing, after the autopsy, was commingled, and you're right, Senator, where that particular hair or fiber was attached to at the time of the FBI laboratory does not mean that's where it was when Mr. Foster met his death, In this particular case, I don't believe it was significant, but it could be in future cases. Senator BENNETT. Just to summarize what I think I'm hearing you say: If this had been a murder, then that procedure in handling the clothing would have been inexcusable. Since it was a suicide and we all know it's a suicide, it turns out not to have mattered. Is that a fair summary? Mr. MONROE, No, I don't think so. I'd like to clarify it. In any death investigation, we had overwhelming evidence to reflect that it was a suicide, and not to make a distinction between a homicide and a suicide. Obviously, a death is-determining the manner of death is important whether it be a suicide or homicide. Am I clarifying my response? Senator BENNETT, Not really, but it probably doesn't matter. Thank you. Mr. MONROE. Well, you were kind enough to ask the question. I'd like to be able to respond. 69 Senator BENNETT I guess what I'm getting at is whether or not the clothing-the handling of the clothing falls in the category of a lapse of proper procedure. We can put to the side the question of how significant the lapse would be, but is it, indeed, a lapse at all that the clothing was allowed to be contaminated at some point? Mr. MONROE,. All things considered, it should not have been done that way. Senator BENNETT. It shouldn't have been done that way. Thank you. Senator Shelby. The CHAIRMAN Y. Thank you Mr Chairman. I will be brief. I un- Senator SHELBY. understand the basic need, Mr. Chairman, to, as part of the mandate of the resolution hold a hearing into the death of Vincent Foster, but it's my understanding a- others have said and people have tes tified, like Dr. Hirsch, that it was a suicide. I have no reason to question that. I was hoping that we could close this forever and let the family go in peace. I'd like to express my regret to the family and friends of Vince Foster over this tragedy. That's all. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator Domenici. Senator DOMENICI. Mr. Chairman.
Vietnam
Jet bombing strikes, heavy artillery fire, and advancing paratroopers finally take Hill 875 after 3 days of some of the most furious fighting of the Vietnam War. A black screen reads, "Foe's Last Line - U.S. Troops Take Hill 875." An American bomber flies over a destroyed forest. Smoke rises from the forest. American troops hike over lying trees and branches. A soldier speaks into a field telephone while smoking a cigarette. Captured ammunitions are poured from cloth bags and displayed for the camera. Grenades, mortar shells, foot sandals.
Eye Research Award
Doctors Gerd Meyer-Schwickerath of West Germany and Charles Stephens of Boston share the $25,000 Research to Prevent Blindness Trustees Award. Both men pioneered in the treatment of damaged and diseased retinas. MCA Board Chairman Jules Stein, former eye specialist, presides at the award ceremony. Black-Tie dinner. The doctors are shown talking as a server dispenses them a coffee cup and saucer. A man gives them a plaque and a check while on a stage.
Pope Paul
Pope Paul makes his first public appearance since surgery on the balcony over Saint Peter's square. 25,000 hear him give thanks and bless the vast throng. Saint Peter's Square, Vatican, Rome, Italy A man stands on a box to take a picture. Thousands gather in Saint Peter's Square. Pope Paul stands in a window slowly waving at the religious onlookers. They clap and make the sign of the cross. He to makes the sign of the cross.
Bomb
A crude, homemade bomb is discovered outside the U.S. mission to the UN in New York. Police bomb squad members remove it from the flowerbed and dismantle it inside a special, bombproof truck. The camera shows the US Mission building. A police bomb unit fills the street outside. Two officers dressed in heavy suits and masks carry a bomb out on a stretcher. Onlookers watch. The bomb is loaded into a truck. The truck pulls away.
Census
While President Johnson speaks at the Department of Commerce Building, census clock indicates that our nation now has a population of two hundred million. A sign outside a building reads, "Department of Commerce." President Johnson stands at a podium in front of a wall that hold four clocks and a counter that is registering new births taking place in the United States. A close-up is made of one of the clocks. A clock flashes when the counter rolls over to 200,000,000.
Jets-Patriots
The Jets manage to hold off a fourth quarter fired-up Patriots squad, winning 29-24. Namath throws two touchdown passes while new Boston quarterback, Don Trull throws one and runs two, all in the final period. A black screen reads, "Football - Jets 29 - Patriots 24." Basic football plays. Fans rush the field after the Jets win.
Giants - Steelers
The New York Giants beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, 28-20, but lose the services of star fullback Tucker Frederickson for the rest of the season. Tarkenton throws two T.D. passes for the Giants while Steeler quarterback Nelson also hits for two. A black screen reads, "Giants 28 - Steelers 20." Normal football footage. Some nice TD passes are shown
Danang Marines
U.S. Marines sweep through a Vietcong infested area and capture villagers suspected of VC affiliation. One Marine is wounded by the machine-gun and mortar fire. After the victory, Marines pass out their own "C" rations especially to the old women of the village. Vietnam women walk through tall grass escorted by a US Marine. US Marines round up suspected Viet Cong. Mostly women and children are gathered. ECU an old Vietnamese woman eats a Marine C-ration. ECU an older Vietnamese woman opens a box of C-rations. Marine medics attend to the wounds of a Marine. US Marines walk through a shallow part of a river carrying a wounded Marine.
July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(14:05:19) Mr. Monroe, I think that you were charged with an impossible mission when you were asked to read the mind of Vincent Foster, and so 'frankly, I don't place a lot of faith in your conclusions as to what was bothering him, You have tried to tell us-and I think you've been very careful with your words-that you can't find any evidence that he talked about Whitewater to anybody. But I don t think any of the three of you-and I'm even going to say that for the pathologist and be can tell me if I'm wrong-- I don't think any of you are qualified to say what somebody who is in a seriously depressed mood is apt to talk about or not talk about with regard to what's bothering him. I can conclude from what I know that they're just as apt not to talk about what's bothering them. So I merely want to make my own personal observation for the record that on that score, we have taken an awful lot of your time and others, and I don't think it serves any useful purpose. Having said that, I think we have a tendency from time to time to bring up names and people and entities, and we don't tell anybody.' what we're talking about, so could I just ask, do you know what's significant about David Hale, sometimes referred to as a judge, and to Capital Management Service? Why are people asking about that? Is that because it's a corporation that's closely tied to Whitewater? Why did we ask you those questions about the warrant?, MONROE. Because it has-in panoply of Whitewater, that is into the category as being part of the Whitewater issue. re, to determine whether or not, in fact, that was-he Mr. Foster was aware. That's the reason for it. Senator DOMENICI. So for those who are following us, very close the date of his death, a warrant was issued with reference to P&id Hale. He was the executive of Capital Management Service, '*)Iich has a relationship to Whitewater, the Clintons' friends and 'Clinton family. So one might have thought that perhaps Vin- 70 cent Foster knew about that. Is that why the questions were asked, as you see it? Mr. MONROE. That's the way I interpret the questions, sir. Senator DODD. It wasn't just "around" that date. It was afterthe statement you made earlier that that warrant was issued after the death of Vincent Foster. Mr. MONROE. The warrant was issued July 21st. The exact-it was issued the day after his death, Senator DODD. It's not around. It's after. Mr. MONROE. I'm sorry, issued on the 20th, Senator, and exe- cuted on the 21st. I apologize. Senator DOMENICI. It was issued on the date of his death, wasn't it? Mr. MONROE. Issued and then executed the next day. Senator DOMENICI. So the question might have been "was somebody talking to Vincent Foster from the DA's office in Arkansas." That's why the questions, I assume. Let me ask you a question. I know the Park Service is coming over here to testify, but we look at you as the real experts in how to conduct 9 Investigations and I think you were probably chosen because you're the best. Actually, have you sought out everything that the Park Service did in terms of their investigative role with reference to finding a dead body on Park Service land? I assume you did. Mr. MONROE. Yes, we did, Senator. Senator DOMENICI. Is it difficult for you to tell us whether the Park Service, for any reason-I don't know the reason, but for any reason--conducted this investigation or failed to conduct it-be- cause the y were coerced or otherwise-in a way that you consid- ered to be the best possible investigative procedures? Mr. MONROE. Obviously, we used the results of their investigation Senator DOMENICI. Now 7 wait a minute. I'm asking you a question. Is it impossible for you to share with us your expertise about whether they did or didn't? Mr. MONROE. I think they did an adequate job, Senator. I just feel inappropriate to evaluate another agency's 7 work because there was some benefits that we had, of cot- that they did not have. Senator DOMENICI. Part of the concern that we have is putting this enormous set of facts together over a very long period of time. We must start somewhere and we start with this today and we're going to do a lot of other things and find out a lot more facts. In my question and in your response, did you put into your mind that there may have been some White House interference in the way the Park Police conducted their investigation, or did you leave that on the side as you answered my question? Mr. MONROE. Sir, that particular issue is one which is currently under investigation by Mr. Fiske. Senator DOMENICI. Fine. We're going to get into that later, you say, and that was not part of any of the answers you made here to ay? Mr. MONROE. That's correct. Senator DOMENICI. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Saturn Five
Saturn Five lifts an Apollo spacecraft into an 8 1/2-orbital flight from Cape Kennedy, splashing down in the Pacific. It renews hope that American astronauts will be on the moon by 1969. The giant rocket's lift-off makes Cape Kennedy tremble with reverberations. A black screen reads, "Moon Flight - Saturn V Blasts Off." A distant shots of the rocket from a fare. The grandstands from which sightseers will watch the launch. Close-up of the rocket and tower during ignition. It's a night launch, and the fire causes the area around the launch pad to glow. Continuing footage shows the rocket blasting into the sky. The capsule from the rocket floats in the ocean. A man stands on its' outer rim. Workers drag the capsule aboard a ship.
LBJ
President Johnson frolics with his five month old grandson, Patrick Lyndon Nugent, in the Chief Executive's White House office. The youngster is the son of the President's daughter, Luci and her husband, Pat Nugent, and he loves to visit Grandpa. President Johnson holds his grandson while in a room of the White House. He cuddles him, holds his hands while he attempts to walk and pats his butt.
Painting
Monet's "La Terasse a Sainte Addresse" brings over one million dollars at a London art auction. The artist's father is believed included in the family garden scene overlooking the sea. The price is a London record for impressionistic art. A room at Christi's Auction House is packed with buyers. Various close-ups are made of Monet's "La Terasse a Sainte Addresse," including the signature. Shot of the auctioneer at the podium. The painting's buyer stands next to the work.
July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(14:10:28) 71 The CHAIRMAN. Now, we've gone down both sides and recognized every Senator that sought recognition in a first round. To the best of my memory, I know Senator Bond, you wanted a second round, however-- Senator D'Amato would be ahead of you and has indicated that be would like to raise one item. Let me, for the sake of the planning purposes, indicate what I intend to do here. I want to finish this panel while we're seated. I know we've gone on through the lunch hour, but I think it's important to finish. We've got another important panel coming today. They are people who can properly address some of these questions because they include the Park Police and the issues that have arisen here and I want to get to them. So I want to accommodate people's questions, but I want to go ahead and try and finish up this panel. We'll take a short break after that happens for those who haven't had a chance to have a bite of lunch and I want to call the second panel and deal with them. Senator DAmato. Senator D'AMATo. Dr. Hirsch, how did you determine the time of death? Dr. HIRSCH. I didn't, Senator. Our report states that we cannot fix the time of death any more precisely than the integral between when Mr. Foster was last seen alive and when his body was discovered. Senator D'AMATO. No time of death was included in that report? Dr. HIRSCH. Our report states we have no opinion. Senator D'AMATO. Because that would deal with the questionand I won't put it in the form of a question, but I found, and I think you'll find it highly irregular, and I commend you, that the medical examiner who examined Foster's body at the park estimated his time of death by deciding to treat Detective Rose's arrival at the scene as the time. He told the detective that he should Put that down. I don't think you would consider that normal procedures, and I imagine that's why you did not subscribe to that. Were You aware that that 's how he arrived at his initial estimation of time of death? Dr. HIRSCH. I heard that, Senator, and I think there may be a confusion between an official and an actual time of death. The official time of death is when someone discovers a body and says this is a dead human being. The actual time of death may be vastly different, may be different by ears, in fact. D'AMATO. I than you for the clarification. It was just a question the staff bad directed to my attention. I thank you. yield it back to the Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Bond. Senator BOND. Are you going to go back and forth? Senator DAmATO. I used about a minute and a half Senator SARBANES. I just wanted to follow up on that very point. to be sure I understood it. In other words, the time that the puts on you put on an official time of death, which is the dead person is discovered; is that correct? HIRSCH. Pronounced. This is the practice in most jurisdiction I haven't talked to the Virginia authorities about this, but in 'Pat, places that I've worked, the official time of death is when someone says this is a dead human being. That may be very different 72 by hours, days, weeks, or years from the actual time of death. Senator SARBANES. The actual time of death, your panel was not able to determine that other than sometime between when be was last known to be alive and, I take it, the official time of death? Dr. HIRSCH. That's correct. The CHAIRmAN. Very good. Senator Bond. Senator BoND, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Monroe, let me go on to another piece of the investigation. Brantley Buck, an attorney from Little Rock, was the one to whom Vince Foster spoke at approximately 1 p.m. on that fateful afternoon of July 20. 1 have in my hand the FBI report on the interview with Mr. Buck. Did you conduct that interview? Mr. MONROE. I did not. Senator BOND. Do you know who did? Mr. MONROE. Yes. I believe it was Special Agent Alex Suggs, but I'm not sure of that, sir. It should be on the bottom of the 302. Senator BOND. This one was left blank as to who. We do not have that information. Mr. MON-ROE. I'm sorry, Senator. Senator BOND. Do you know whether Mr. Buck was asked if, in the course of his conversation, he had discussed Whitewater, Capital Management Services, or Madison Guaranty? Mr. MONROE. I don't know, sir. Senator BOND. Is it the practice of the FBI that if they conduct an inquiry and they raise a question to which the response is negative, it should be noted in this reply, in this confidential memo? Mr. MONROE, I would have put it in, Senator, but I can't say that's policy, Senator BOND. The reason for interviewing Brantley Buck, who may have been the last person that talked with Mr. Foster before be left the office, would be to ascertain a number of things, would it not? Mr. MONROE. Yes, sir. Senator BOND. And one of those things would be the state of mind on which you commented and which the Fiske Report commented? Mr. MONROE. Yes, Sir.
Rockets
In Yugoslavia, rockets shoot mail over the mountain into rural villages. The demonstration interests Post Office officials and space scientists. One big problem: the cost. Technicians work to position a rocket on a launch pad. Hobbyists tinker with a rocket, and then carry one on their shoulders to a crude launching device. BLAST OFF. Onlookers smile and smoke cigarettes. Slow motion footage replays the launching, and panning footage follows it on its' path.
White Lion
A rare, all white lion cub is born in Florida and the experts pronounce him a "zoological rarity". He's kept in the lap of luxury, incubator and all, at a local hospital. A sign reads "Glades General Hospital." An incubator protects a new born white tiger cub. It lays and raises its' head. Various close-ups of the cub are made, including when it yawns. The parents are shown hanging out in a grassy area.
Harvard - Yale
Yale beats Harvard, 24-20, in the last two minutes of the game on a 66-yard Dowling to Maring pass. Yale is Ivy League and Big Three Champ but Harvard's determined play late in the game made them scramble for the win. A black screen reads, "Football - Yale 24 - Harvard 20." Various plays are shown, in addition to, crowd shots, and cut away clips of the scoreboard after scoring. The footage is BAD, because there is a large smudge on the camera's lens that is never cleared. There are also two incidences where the hands of fans waves in front of the camera causing a blurring affect.
July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(14:16:12) Senator BOND. Given the questions that were raised about the possibility that Mr. Foster may have been informed about the issu ance of the search warrant for Capital Management Services or Judge David Hale, would it not have been appropriate to ask whether that bad been part of the discussions? Mr. MONROE,. If I had been doing it, true, but I'm not sure what that interviewing agent had in mind at that particular time. So can't respond for that agent, Senator. Senator BOND. I would ask, Mr. Chairman, that we make this report a matter of record. I would assume that you will be doing further investigation and those questions will be appropriately put to Mr. Buck? Mr. MONROE. Yes, sir. The CHAIRmAN. I'm certain I haven't seen it. I'd like to read it. 73 Senator BOND. I thought it should have been available to all Members, It has discussions of the subjects for which Mr. Buck was calling which had to do with the preparation of the blind trust. Mr. MONROE. Right. The CHAIRMAN. As I understand it, though, according to the document that I just saw, I thought that occurred not the day of Mr. Foster's death, that that occurred a couple of days beforehand. That occurred Senator BOND. At 1 p.m., July 20, 1993. Mr. MONROE. I'd like a clarification on it, if I could. I just reviewed the copy of the report again and apparently he attempted to call on the 20th, Senator, but was not successful, Senator BOND. If I can have that back, it said he called at 12:17 p.m. and Foster returned the call at 1 p.m. Mr. MONROE. You're right, Senator. In other words, there wasn't a connection at that time. The CHAIRMAN. That was my question. It seemed to me from my memory, they did not reach one another. I mean, one called and Foster was not there and apparently he called back and the other fellow wasn't there, but the never managed to talk to one another on the telephone that day. glut without reading that document-I'm not sure whether it says that or not, but if my recollection is wrong, then I want to establish one way or the other whether they spoke. Senator BOND. This is not clear from the document. Mr. MONROE. What is clear from our report is that they never made a connection. The CHAiRmAN. So, they did not speak to one another that day? Mr. MONROE. That's correct. The CHAIRMAN. And that's your testimony? Mr. MONROE,. That's correct. Senator BOND. It states here that Buck called back at approximately 1 p.m., D.C. time, and that's-it does not say that the call was not completed. -Mr. MONROE, It was not completed. In other words, there wasn't connection between Senator DODD. I forget exactly where, but in reading over depositiOnS, it seems that there was information that, there were a couple of calls made around that time, but the callers and Mr. Foster never did connect. This was one of those calls. That's somewhere in the report Yes, it is. I don't have the research or the report. Senator BOND. There were also two interviews of Mr, Lyons. Mr. as the one who prepared the Whitewater report during the 992 to explain the Whitewater matter. Do you know why re two interviews of Mr. Lyons? MONROE. No, I do not, Senator. Senator BOND. It would appear that in the first interview he was ,ask' ed about Whitewater. I would also ask that we make these Senator Lyons was fall of 1992 were MONROE. matter of record. DODD. I found it. It's on page 26 of the report, at the bot- "Foster now returned to the White House. A number of people unsuccessfully to reach him by telephone. C. Brantley Buck, former partner at the Rose Law Firm called to discuss, fi- 74 nalizing work Buck had been doing setting up a blind trust. Foster was acting"-it goes on. "Buck said there was nothing"-it goes on about that, but the point being it was an unsuccessful effort. On page 26
July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(14:20:35) Senator BOND. I thank my colleague, but if you read on page 27, the narrative continues that "Buck stated there was nothing about the blind trust that would provide a source of concern." It talks about the content. It does not say in here, at least it's not clear to me, that there was no contact made. Mr. MONROE. Right. Senator DODD. But that's Mr. Monroe's testimony. Mr. MONROE. My recollection is there was no contact. The CHAIRMAN. Let's be certain. Senator BOND. I would like to know for sure. Mr. COLOMBELL. Senator, neither of us conducted those interviews, we're both aware of them, and we both had feedback, but basically we're testifying from hearsay from our fellow agents. We'll be glad to provide you a The CHAIRMAN. Let's leave it as an outstanding question. Senator BOND. That would be most appropriate if you would inquire, number one, did a conversation occur? Obviously, if a conversation occurred, then the questions relating to the issuance of the search warrant with respect to Judge David Hale and Capital Management Services would be a very important question to ask in a follow-up. Mr. MONROE. It could be, Senator, but as I said, we'll doublecheck on that. It is my opinion right now that there was not a connection, but based on the importance of this, let us please get back to you, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Let me also say-I want to come back to the page 26, and I appreciate, Senator Bond, what you've read on page 27, but page 26 has a declarative predicate sentence at the beginning that says "a number of people tried unsuccessfully to reach him by telephone," and it goes on to list these various people and so-tbose words on paper would indicate that there's no completed phone call, but you're going to double- check that so there's absolutely no ambiguity about it? Mr. MONROE,. That's correct. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Mack, did you have another question you wanted to raise? Senator MACK, I really just have a comment or two. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. We'll go to Senator Faircloth and then I think we may be finished here. Senator MACK. I certainly don't intend to use my full amount off time. First of all, with respect to the pager that Senator Kerry and I were discussing a little bit earlier, there is something called a Bravo pager that, when turned off, retains memory. Second, I really did not intend to put Mr. Monroe and Mr. Colombell in a situation where they would have to criticize a fellow ,agency, but I wanted to raise the points that, at least from my perspective, the way the pager was handled, the way interviews in the White House were limited, the failure to secure the Foster office 75 and other actions by the White House, in fact, hampered, to some degree our ability to come to the conclusions that you've drawn. Now: I'm not making the charge that you came to the wrong conclusion. I am merely pointing out the fact that there was interference, and I understand your sensitivity. I wonder bow we would have reacted if we had to deal with that kind of pressure in the White House. I will just let it go at that. The CHAiRmAN. Very good. Senator Faircloth. Senator DODD. If I may. The CHAIRMAN. Just briefly. Senator DODD. I'm told, for purposes of the record, that all pagers at the White House -- by the way, this company is not from Connecticut- (14:24:36) End of tape #10053
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(14:21:03) (Tape #10054 begins) Senator DODD. But that's Mr. Monroe's testimony. Mr. MONROE. My recollection is there was no contact. The CHAIRMAN. Let's be certain. Senator BOND. I would like to know for sure. Mr. COLOMBELL. Senator, neither of us conducted those interviews, we're both aware of them, and we both had feedback, but basically we're testifying from hearsay from our fellow agents. We'll be glad to provide you a The CHAIRMAN. Let's leave it as an outstanding question. Senator BOND. That would be most appropriate if you would inquire, number one, did a conversation occur? Obviously, if a conversation occurred, then the questions relating to the issuance of the search warrant with respect to Judge David Hale and Capital Management Services would be a very important question to ask in a follow-up. Mr. MONROE. It could be, Senator, but as I said, we'll doublecheck on that. It is my opinion right now that there was not a connection, but based on the importance of this, let us please get back to you, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Let me also say-I want to come back to the page 26, and I appreciate, Senator Bond, what you've read on page 27, but page 26 has a declarative predicate sentence at the beginning that says "a number of people tried unsuccessfully to reach him by telephone," and it goes on to list these various people and so-tbose words on paper would indicate that there's no completed phone call, but you're going to double- check that so there's absolutely no ambiguity about it? Mr. MONROE,. That's correct. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Mack, did you have another question you wanted to raise? Senator MACK, I really just have a comment or two. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. We'll go to Senator Faircloth and then I think we may be finished here. Senator MACK. I certainly don't intend to use my full amount off time. First of all, with respect to the pager that Senator Kerry and I were discussing a little bit earlier, there is something called a Bravo pager that, when turned off, retains memory. Second, I really did not intend to put Mr. Monroe and Mr. Colombell in a situation where they would have to criticize a fellow ,agency, but I wanted to raise the points that, at least from my perspective, the way the pager was handled, the way interviews in the White House were limited, the failure to secure the Foster office 75 and other actions by the White House, in fact, hampered, to some degree our ability to come to the conclusions that you've drawn. Now: I'm not making the charge that you came to the wrong conclusion. I am merely pointing out the fact that there was interference, and I understand your sensitivity. I wonder bow we would have reacted if we had to deal with that kind of pressure in the White House. I will just let it go at that. The CHAiRmAN. Very good. Senator Faircloth. Senator DODD. If I may. The CHAIRMAN. Just briefly. Senator DODD. I'm told, for purposes of the record, that all pagers at the White House -- by the way, this company is not from Connecticut- (14:24:36) End of tape #10053 are Motorola pagers. The information that Senator Kerry provided earlier, when turned off, it erases all messages and in response to Mr. Monroe, the pager was, in fact, turned off. So, while I appreciate the Senator from Florida's question, the value of the pager Senator DAMATO. If I might, to add something, I understand that Bravo is made by Motorola and it is one of those that are available at the White House. For a point of clarification, the staff has just given me that information. Bravo Plus is the one that has the ability to store. The question is and-probably at this point in time no one knows whether be bad the ordinary Bravo or Bravo Plus, and that's a question. Did it have memory capacity and was turned in? I guess we'll never know. I think it would be safe to assume this was not proper procedure on a homicide.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:15:01) PBS funding credits (15:15:10) Whitewater title screen (15:15:23) Ken Bode and Nina Totenberg introduce and comment on day's hearing, they also interview JAMES HAMILTON - the Foster Family Attorney (15:23:10) Coverage resumes 77 AFTERNOON SESSION The CHAIRMAN. The Committee will come to order. Let me invite all those in the room to find their seating, and we will begin Let me introduce our afternoon panel, and then after I have done so, I will be asking you to all stand and take the oath, but we will do that after I have made these introductory remarks. We have with us Dr. James Beyer, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner for Northern Virginia, who performed the autopsy on Mr. Foster. Also we have two of the U.S. Park Police officers who investigated Mr. Foster's death. They are Sergeant Cheryl Braun and Investigator John Rolla. I appreciate your being here. My understanding is that you do not have opening statements, as such, and so we will move right into the discussion and the questioning But let me now ask you to stand and raise your right hand, Do you swear that the testi mony you are about to give is the truth the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? BRAuN. I do, Mr. ROLLA. Yes, I do. Dr. BEYER. I do. STATEMENT OF DR. JAMES BEYER, DEPUTY CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER FOR NORTHERN VIRGINIA; SERGEANT CHERYL BRAUN, U.S. PARK POLICE; AND INVESTIGATOR JOHN ROLLA, U.S. PARK POLICE The CHAIRMAN. Very good. Thank you. Be seated, Dr. Beyer, let me start with you, if I may. My understanding is that you, after your examination and the procedures you follow, concluded that Mr. Foster's death was a suicide, is that correct? Dr. BEYER. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Now, can you indicate how it was you were able to rule out any other cause of death and why you reached that conclusion, in terms of a short summary. Dr. BEYER. Mr. Foster had a perforating gunshot wound to the head with entrance in the mouth, exit in the back of the head. There was abundant powder debri's in the mouth at the entrance site. Therefore, I concluded that this was essentially a contact perforating gunshot wound consistent with being self- inflicted.