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U.S. Roving Ambassador Averell Harriman and his daughter meet Yugoslay President and Mrs. Tito. Later, diplomatic talks center on Vietnam, the Middle East and Cyprus. Ambassador Harriman walks across a crowded room and shakes the hands of President and Mrs. Tito. The diplomats sit in chairs, and talk to each other.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(14:25:32) Now, I don't want to put you on the spot, Mr. Monroe, but I'm going to say, do you think that it was proper procedure to turn in the -pager without ascertaining if it was a Bravo or Bravo Plus and whether it bad the ability to store messages, even if it was found shut off? Are you going to say that that was proper, that was normal? Would you -- would the FBI have done that under normal circumstances, yes or no? Mr. MONROE. No. Senator D'AMATO. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Just a minute, you inadvertently said "at a homicide Senator DAMATO. Excuse me. Let me say, I mean a death. Excuse me. Let me correct the record and I thank my colleague. I did .not mean it in that manner, but where there's a death Mr. MONROE. I do think, Senator, when you're looking at a police department's conduct, you ought to take the overall evaluation, Sir Senator DAMATo The were working under difficult circum- Stances. It was an incredible thing. The body found there, the tragedy it. We understand that, but in fairness to all my 0 leagues, I think one of my colleagues was trying to make the "Point about the pager and whether or not it had the capacity to store information. There are some pagers that do and some that don't-, And so that was the question and it was unfortunate that that was turned over. It's unfortunate about the contamination of the clothing So that made things difficult to ascertain and under circumstances or ordinary circumstances you would have 76 followed, maybe, a different procedure. No one is suggesting that the report that you've prepared-and I have to tell you, I bad some questions at a certain point in time, but after the conclusions and after reading the reports, I am convinced, as my colleagues have stated, that the death took place as indicated, at the park, that it was not a homicide, that it was a suicide, and it was a terrible tragedy. The CHAIRmAN. Senator Faircloth. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Just a quick statement. Senator DODD. Get the microphone. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Excuse me. I know that you two agents are just doing your job, but the exchange with Senator Bond and your inability to answer his questions clearly shows how important it is that Robert Fiske be here to personally be held accountable for his report. I just think it's incumbent that he come and answer for himself That's just a statement. Mr. MONROE, Can I respond to that? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. If you're asking, I think you ought to be allowed to respond. Mr. MONROE. Let me assure you that there were questions posed today that neither myself or Mr. Colombell had direct answers to. The vast majority of questions in those areas are available, and were under the investigation of other agents and they'll be immediately forwarded to this Committee. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, but that's even still the more reason that Mr. Fiske should be here to answer his own report. You could not conclude that Whitewater-related matters affected Mr. Foster's state of mind, yet the investigation into the removal of Whitewater-related documents from Mr. Foster's office the evening of his death is still incomplete. Could the contents of the documents that were removed from Mr. Foster's office provide valuable evidence as to his state of mind? Mr. MONROE. There were documents that were removed from Mr. Foster's office pertaining to Whitewater. I have not personally reviewed those, but I have been informed that they bad nothing to do at all with Mr. Foster's state of mind and they right now are part of the grand jury testimony, and therefore, I cannot elaborate on that, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. As a professional law enforcement officer, would you infer from the removal of these documents the evening, of Mr. Foster's death after the office was supposed to have been secured, would that constitute an obstruction of justice? Mr. MONROE, I can make no inference there, and that is going to be, and is, part of our continuing investigation, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just say there for a moment, Senator Faircloth, that that is specifically an area that Mr. Fiske has under investigation. He's asked us not to cross into that area. I know you don't intend to do that here, but I should file that point. Senator FAIRCLOTH. No more questions. (14:30:05) The CHAiRmAN. Thank you. The Committee stands in recess until 3:15 p.m. and we'll have the other panel ready to go at that time. [Recess.] (14:30:16) Commentary of KEN BODE and NINA TOTENBERG (14:32:50) WETA logo, PBS funding credits
Cyprus
Greece and Turkey, poised for war over Cyprus, are both calmed by the intervention of world diplomacy. Talks in Athens and Ankara help to avert war. U.S., British, and UN families were evacuated from Cyprus as a precaution. A black screen reads, "Cyprus Crisis - Diplomats Trying To Avert War." Foreign civilians pass through customs offices during an evacuation. Passports get stamped by clerks, a women speaks into a microphone and luggage is lines along a sidewalk. Civilians are escorted to an awaiting passenger jet. The plane's crew greets passengers as they walk up stairs into the plane. Diplomats exit a plane and walk down stairs to be greeted by state representatives. The diplomats get into a car and drive off. The Greek flag waves over an office. Various diplomats pull up in their cars and walk into the building. Hand shaking.
Go-Go Queen
The title of "Miss Go-Go America" is on the line as a group of girls try to wiggle their way to fame. The winner is Nicki Picard of Pittsburgh, who's happy...but tired! A group of Tu-Tu wearing girls shake their butts and boobs for a panel of judges. A band plays in the background. Close-ups are made of individual girls, and from eye level within the group of dancers.
Boat Race
22-year old Mike Reagan, son of California's Governor Ronald Reagan, wins the grueling outboard motorboat marathon on the Colorado River. He wins $9,000 after two days and eight hours. A panoramic shot shows the Colorado River being raced upon by several powerboats. Close-ups show various boats skipping over choppy water. Aerial shoots spin as they attempt to capture the boats racing away. The crowd seems kind of bored with the race. The winner, Mike Reagan (Michael Reagan), kisses a young hunk while seated in his boat.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:25:17) The CHAIRMAN. Might I ask over your professional career, how I many deaths of this kind, obviously with different circumstances, 'Would you have had the opportunity to be the chief medical examiner or to be part of an examining team? Dr. BEYER. I have been the Deputy and in charge of doing autop sies at the Northern Virginia Office ever since 1971. CHAIRMAN. Since 1971. How many would you say you have ed over that period of time or participated in? BEYER. I stopped counting when I reached 20,000. CHAIRMAN. So over 20,000? Yes, sir. MAN. Can you give me any estimate as to how many of those might have been suicide situations or gunshot situations? BEYER. We do anywhere from 700 to 800 autopsies a year. aproximately 20 percent of those are suicides and I would say over 50 percent of those are by gunshot. 78 The CHAIRMAN. You have given us the central reason I take it that you ascribe to why you concluded, or one of the main reason you concluded this was a suicide. How were you able to rule out any possibility of an alternative cause of death? Dr. BEYER, There was no other evidence or trauma to the body and with the entrance wound located in the mouth the way it was with abundant power debris, no trauma to the jaws, no trauma to the teeth, it would be my conclusion that this was self-inflicted. The CHAiRmAN. Let me move down the table to you, Ms. Braun and Mr. Rolla. Can you tell us how the investigation in the park was actually conducted? I do not know which of you wants to lead off. I am sure you will both want to contribute your observations but did one or the other of you arrive there before the other per son? Mr. ROLLA. We arrived together. The Chairman. All right, you arrived together, and so I would like to have both of you, in a sense, tell us the manner in which you conducted the investigation when you got there. First, the basic things that I think we need to know is, did you see a gun and where did you see the gun? Mr. ROLLA. First of all, when we arrived into the park, the parking lot, officers were in the park. We parked our vehicle. I spoke to Officer Ferstl. He told me be had the body of a white male up by the second cannon, had a gun in his hand, an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. They thought his car was the fourth spot from the entrance to the parking lot. They thought the Arkansas tags, they thought it belonged to him because there was a suit jacket on the front passenger seat folded over that matched the suit pants that the deceased was wearing at the time, and a tie was in there also. I ran the tags, wrote the tags down, called the communications section via car phone, ran them and they came back to Vincent Foster, Jr., the exact address unknown, Little Rock, Arkansas. At that point, there were some witnesses in the parking lot. Myself and Investigator Braun decided that she would handle the parking lot scene, and I would go up to the death scene. I believe we both went up their at first. Ms. BRAUN. We both went. Mr. ROLLA. We both responded up to the death scene. The CHAiRmAN. So when you arrived at the death scene, did you see a gun? Mr. ROLLA. Right. Well, let me explain. The death scene's about 250 yards into the park, going up bill basically, in a heavily wooded area with very thick foliage. When we arrived there, be said it was a little open field and a second cannon is at the end of the field at the top, just beyond the top of a steep embankment. The officers on the scene had the crime scene taped off. We went over and spoke to those officers to see what they have done, and what had happened. At which time I approached the body, carefully viewing the crime scene, looking for any signs of struggling, signs of broken bushes, any signs of anything that would be evidence. The CHAIRMAN. Had the body been moved at all? I mean, was the body in the position in which it was first found, or had it been moved in any way by the time you arrived, to your knowledge?
Robot
The "Unimate" robot is an amazing by product of automation. It does dull, difficult, or dangerous factory jobs, freeing ten men for better work elsewhere in the plant. It has an electronic memory for 200 separate movements and functions. A technician adjusts the alignments on a robotic arm. The robot swings left and right, and tilts up and down in a showroom. A close-up is made of the griping claw as it picks up a cylinder, and places it in another position. The pistons move forward and then back. The claw picks up a piece of metal, and then takes it over to receive a chemical bath. Steam raises off the metal.
New Highway
The new 26-miles long highway across the Austrian Alps, connecting Munich and Venice, gets its first real test this winter. Built as an avalanche-free road, it cost thirty million and 14 workmen were killed during its construction. A highway cuts through the Austrian Alps. An avalanche tunnel / shelter is driven through. One side is open to the ravine below. Great panoramic highway shots. Footage moves slowly. Tunnel footage.
Snowmobiles
The World Snowmobile Championship is held in Munich and 28 international racers compete in speed and cross-country events. Over all winner: Steve Ave of Hurley, Wisconsin. Two woman jump on the back of a snow mobile driven by some cool cat in dark shades. Off they go. A father zips by trailering his kid a caboose cart. A few dozen snowmobiles take off from a start line. They maneuver through turns and snow banks. Close-ups show they go through various turns. A man waves the checkered flag. Crowd shots. Another race begins. A distant track is seen from a hill. Snowmobiles zig-zag through tree lines. Stunt devils go over jumps. Three jumps are shown.
Flood Aftermath: Death And Damage In Italy
NO AUDIO In Florence, Italy mud and rubble fills the streets in the wake of a devastating flood. The Arno River overflowing from torrential rains, breaks its banks and causes chaos for its residents. It leaves 31 dead and along with other damages. LS Water gushing over a dam wall. MS Water rapidly pouring down some steps. In downtown Florence, a street is littered with mud, debris and some water with no place to go. Mud is caked on top of cars that have been trapped by the rains and flooding. The Italian army use shovels to try and dig themselves out of the muddy mess and return their streets back to normal. CU of Italian statues around the city that were affected by the disastrous weather conditions. People using rags and buckets in an effort to clean the water in the streets, MS Large crowds gather with buckets and gasoline canisters to gain drinkable water from a truck. High Angle Shots of tons of mud and other debris left in the streets from the flooding. People moving about with no distinguishable place to go.
Niagara Slowed: Waterfall Reduced For Erosion Study
NO AUDIO In a special one day cleanup and inspection operation, the mighty waters of Niagara Falls are reduced to a trickle. U.S. Army Engineers divert the flow over the Horseshoe Falls while workers remove debris from the base of the falls and inspect erosion. High Angle Shot of Niagara Falls and people standing on the observation deck. Water going over the falls. Low Angle of mists that cover the falls in a fog. MS A park ranger or policeman man checking out the rocks. Low Angle of water pouring over the edge of the falls rock formations. High Angle Shot as technicians and workers are lowered to the ground to remove debris from the bottom of the falls. They also check for the amount of erosion that has taken place throughout the years. LS wide view of the whole falls with water spilling over and a bridge in the background.
Horse Racing Thrillers
NO AUDIO The Wheatley Stables "Successor" wins the Garden State Stakes with a 188 thousand dollars purse is awarded. The prior day In Laurel, Maryland, Washington, D.C. "International" is won by Behistoun of France in a tremendous finishing burst of speed High Angle of the jockeys walking their horses in warm-ups. Hundreds and hundreds of horse racing fans gather in the rainy filled stands. MS The horses are lined up at the gate and their off. Horse Number 2X takes an early lead on the wet racetrack as he makes his first turn around the bend. CU Two men hanging over the railing watching the race. Horse Number 3 "Successor" pulls ahead and wins the race. Crowds in the stands celebrate the victory. " Successor" is joined in the winner's circle and draped in a blanket of flowers as the jockey is shaking hands and awarded. On a sunny day, horse racing fans gather in a Maryland Stadium. The horses are released from the gate and take off around the first turn. Crowds watch in the stands. POV Horse race towards the cameraman and make a turn. CU of a gentleman better with a pencil in his hair checking the horses rankings on a piece of paper. MS The throughbreeds race past the winner's circle as the crowds remain calm till the finish. CU of Behistoun sitting atop his winning horse after the race. His owners pats his side in good job.
Football - Army 6 University of Californa 3
NO AUDIO At Berkeley, The Army faces the University of California and comes out on top. The passing arm of sophomore quarterback Steve Lindell moves the Cadet offense and Chuck Jarvis scores on a six yard end sweep. California's 43 yard field goal brings the game to a finish with a final score of 6 to 3. LS Interior of the football stadium jammed packed with fans. High Angle Shot the two teams are lined up on the field. Army has procession of the football. The QB passes the ball and it is caught down field. The QB passes the ball and the receiver catches it just before the 30 yard line. Army still has procession of the ball and once again makes a pass. It's caught for first and goal. The Army QB runs the football in for a touchdown, and Army puts 6 on the score board to California's 0. High Angle Shot Berkley and Army face off once again, Army has the ball and it handed off to the receiver by the QB who gains a few yards before getting sacked. Berkeley takes procession of the football and brings it down to kicking distance from the goal post. Berkeley kicks and it is good.
Presidential Surgery
NO AUDIO At Bethesda Naval Hospital, a 53 minute double operation repairs an abdominal hernia and removes tissue from President Johnson's vocal cord. The tissue is found to be benign. An extended rest is scheduled for the President at his Texas ranch following hospitalization. MS President Lydon Baines Johnson and his wife Lady Bird arrive in Bethesda, Maryland during the night or early morning to photographers. Exterior shot Bethesda Naval Hospital. CU of "Naval Medical Center" sign. Exterior shot of the windows to President Johnson's hospital room. MS President Johnson laying in bed going over some papers. MCU Lady Bird and daughter, Lucy (Luci) Baines enter his hospital room. The press take pictures. CU Lady Bird, (Mrs. Johnson) and her daughter Lucy standing at her husband's bedside possing for the cameras. President Johnson smiling while laying in the hospital bed.He says he's okay with his fingers.
Gemini Finale: Program's Triumph Prepares Moon-Shoot
NO AUDIO The final flight of the Gemini Space Program, Gemini 12, caps the project on a note of triumph. Astronauts James Lovell and Edwin Aldrin return with films showing Aldrin's record-breaking "working" spacewalk of over two hours. MS Naval helicopter taking off from the deck of the USS Wasp. CU Commanding Naval officer looking through binoculars. Aerial re-entry and splashdown of the Gemini 12 spacecraft at the close of the mission, 11/15/66, in the Atlantic Ocean. High Angle Shot Gemini 12 floating in the ocean and a rubber raft moving in for rescue. Once in the raft Command Pilot James A. Lovell Jr. and Pilot Edwin E. Aldrin, Jr. are helped into harnesses. POV from Helicopter one by one the pair are air lifted into the waitng helicopter. CU of Lovell and Aldrin inside the helicopter. MS aboard the USS Wasp, a welcome banner greets the two as sailors and officers all lined up at the railing's to witness and greet them. MS Astronaut Lovell and Aldrin disembarking from the helicopter. MS Aldrin takes off his hat and waves it to the camera. CU Sailors standing on the deck of the USS Wasp. The two astronauts greet Officers and General with warm smiles and handshakes. Various shots of the men at work in outer space. MS Aldrin conducted ultraviolet photography and Earth photography in his spacewalk. CU Aldrin in outer space with the backdrop of the planet Earth behind him. Aldrin installing hand rails on Gemini 12 and performing different tasks on the space craft. Buzz Aldrin broke a record spending 5 hours and 30 minutes out in space.MS of the two Astronauts holding sabers in their hands cutting their Gemini 12, Welcome Home cake. CU Aldrin and Lovell drinking coffee and eating cake.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:30:31) Mr. ROLLA. To my knowledge, the body had not been moved other than that we do have this blood transfer stain from the collar to the chin. Somebody either checked the carotid or whatever, may have moved the head, I do not know, but that is the only possible movement. Otherwise, no, the body bad not been moved. I approached the body carefully. The head was the first part of the body at the top of the embankment. Again, it is a very steep embankment with heavy foliage on both sides of the body. I carefully walked around the body, looking at it. Again, I was already told that there was a gun in the band and at that point, I leaned over the body and observed a dark-colored revolver in the right band of the deceased. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just stop you there. My time is up. I want top if I may, just ask one question, and then I will yield because I do not want to trespass on the time either. Did either of you see anything at the time that caused you to think that this might not be a suicide or the way it apparently would have appeared to you? in other words, when you arrived, saw the scene, and saw the body, was there anything that struck either of you that would have caused you to say, maybe this was not a suicide. Was there anything that stuck out at that time that you recall now, or that you made a point of at the time? Ms. Braun. Ms. BRAUN. No. When we arrived at the scene and I went up to the scene, everything was consistent with a suicide. The CHAIRMAN. Everything was consistent with a suicide. What would your answer be, Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. Pretty much the same. Again, it was the early stages of investigation just arriving on the scene but at that point, everything was consistent with a suicide. The CHAiRmAN. Let me yield now to Senator D'Amato. Senator DAMATO. I am going to yield my time to Senator Bond. The CHAiRmAN. Senator Bond. -Senator BOND. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I want .to thank the panel for their good work. I believe, Mr. Rolla, for ease of going through this, you have provided a great deal of information in the depositions. want to highlight for this Committee, some particular points of your testimony, and I will go through and give you the page numbers and ask you if that is an accurate reflection. It has to do with the outside interference in the investigation. On page 63, you were asked: "If, at any time, if someone outside the the Criminal Investigation Bureau, would you let me know, be- We there are lots of names." You give an answer. "It would be very odd if anybody outside the 'would ask anybody or do anything in the investigation." questioned you: "Did Officer Rule, when be called you, tell autopsy had been moved up specifically at the request of White House?" 80 Your answer was: "Yes, he told me it had been pushed up. They wanted it done sooner, so they got it." Is that an accurate statement? Mr. ROLLA. Yes, it is. Senator BOND. Next, on page 68, the question's asked to you: "Is it SOP, standard operating procedure, to have someone who was at the scene of the death attend the autopsy?" And your answer was: "Yes, that would be normal operating procedure. As I say, there may be nothing, there may be questions, you like to explain the scene and the doctor likes to hear besides reading the report and looking at the photographs. He can explain things, if you have questions. The investigator may have questions that he needs to ask the doctor."' Is that accurate? Mr. ROLLA. That is correct. Senator BOND. And you were not able to attend the autopsy? You did not attend the autopsy ? Mr. ROLLA. Well, myself and Cheryl Braun worked all night. We worked, our shift was 2 p.m. to 10 p.m. The day before we worked until 6:30 that morning, waited for Dr. Beyer to get in and confirm that the autopsy would be on the morning of the 22nd. So we went home to get some sleep after our reports were written. Senator BOND. That is understandable, but in other words, the autopsy was pushed up so you were Mr. ROLLA. It was pushed up and I was too tired to drive in and go back. Senator BOND. Next, on page 75, you are asked about White House contacts.
Fashions
Ready to wear fashions from Italian designers for next spring and summer feature derby straw hats, wild floral-print after dark trouser ensembles with flowing trains, and youthful stripes with cute buttons and belts. Runway models stand and wear Derby hats (nice footage). Close-ups of the hats. The camera shows models entering a runway from backstage. Six modes turn and pose for fashion seekers. Close-up of critics in their seats taking notes. More models walk under large chandeliers. The finally shows 12 models all walking at the same time.
Selassie
Ethiopia's Emperor Haile Selassie celebrates the 37th anniversary of his coronation in a day of special events. He's accompanied by Kenya's President Kenyatta and addresses Parliament, urging forces to end colonial rule in Rhodesia, South Africa, and Portuguese territories. Emperor Haile Selassie and President Kenyatta parade for onlookers in a convertible limousine. Onlookers cap and smile. A large banner shows the Emperor on the day of his coronation. The interior of Ethiopia's Parliament Building is shown where Emperor Selassie addresses listeners (no natural sound). Legislators sit in even rows, and are fixed upon their leader. Colonialism.
Cardinal Spellman
Francis Cardinal Spellman, 78, dies of a sudden stroke. As Vicar General of the U.S. Armed Forces, he spent Christmas with the troops for the past 16 years. All 7 American Cardinals will attend his funeral. Pope Paul and world leaders express their sympathy. Saint Patrick's Cathedral, New York, NY Francis Cardinal Spellman is shown being ordained a cardinal in 1946. He slowly walks with the assistance of clergymen. American troops sit in attendance at mass during Christmas. Saint Patrick's Cathedral is shown in mourning. A mass is given in his tribute and people light Thought Candles.
Fire
The Main Mail-Exchange Building in Melbourne, Australia, is swept by fire. Two thousand employees flee the burning building, two are rescued from the roof. A million dollars in damage is done by the flames. Thick columns of black smoke rise from a burning building. A convertible fire truck cruises down the street with a fireman crowed inside. Flames and smoke pour from heat smashed windows. A crowd watches as a man runs the length of the building's roofline escaping sheer death. A massive crowd gathers near a parking lot to watch the show. A firefighter shoots water into a window from the extended ladder of a hook and ladder truck.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:35:15) They ask: "Did you talk about your theories of the case or how you felt the investigation was going." You said: "Yes." They asked: "Did the White House get mentioned in those conversations? You answered: "Yes," Next they questioned: 'Vill you tell me a little bit about them? How it bad come up, what kind of context?" Your answer was: "This is from memory, but I know that Captain Hume was very upset. The White House was stonewalling us in our investigation and getting access to the office. They went up there, were not allowed in, were not treated very nicely, and they were very upset. They bad to go up a second time before the things were put together and they were allowed to go in there. After that time, I was not there. I only heard what people told me." Does that reflect what you told the questioner in the deposition? Mr. ROLLA. That is correct. I was not there either time because this was all from memory, office talk. Senator BOND. Then, again, referring to the stonewalling and on page 156, the question is asked: "Did you ever talk in detail with Captain Hume about what went on at the notification to tell him some of those concerns that you had?" You answered: "Yes. We talked about them, that we were stonewalled, we were stonewalled there. People basically, we bad a few questions here and there of certain people but we were stonewalled." Does that reflect your memory of the situation? 81 Mr. ROLLA. The transcript does not read as good as it sounded when I said it. [Laughter.] Senator BOND. Would you like to state it in your own words? maybe, I am sure that it was The CHAIRMAN. That happens to us too. Senator BOND. Would you express your views for the Committee? Mr. ROLLA. Of course, you are reading parts of statements that were much longer. Talking about the death notification, You are speaking of the death notification? Senator BOND. Yes. Mr. ROLLA. OK Senator BONI). And the investigation that, went on. Mr. ROLLA. As far as the death notifi cation, it was not the situation we would normally have liked to have had, There were too many people there, too many people met us at the door. It was not the right atmosphere in which to make a notification in which to ask questions after a period of grieving. There were too many people there, and we did not have an opportunity to question the family or friends the way we would have liked to. Senator BOND. It was not just with the investigation at the time Of notification? You had problems with getting access to the papers? Is that correct? The papers of Mr. Foster and other personal effects? The CHAIRMAN. Let me just sound a caution here because the question of the papers and the handling of the papers is an issue that Mr. Fiske is still investigating, and be 'has written to us and asked us to not move into that subject because he is not finished with it. And so I think we have got to be very careful about the degree to which we inadvertently cross into that zone. Senator BOND, I gather there was an effort, by you to find if there was a suicide note or any other information that might bear upon the cause of death while you were at the Foster home? Mr. ROLLA. Yes. Senator BOND. Did you have any luck with it, were you able to carry that out? Mr. ROLLA. We were there for a total of almost an hour, I be- And it seems like a long time, but with all that was going on, it was not very long. We did not have the-we had opportunity to ask certain questions, but not anything at length and we were told, asked was there anything, did you see this forthcoming, was there anything different about him, has be been depressed, and all the answers were no. Senator BOND. But your testimony in the deposition was that you were stonewalled? Mr- ROLLA, And by that, I mean that everybody said, Do, they knew nothing about his depression or anything when It later comes Out that he was depressed and they were aware of it, but at the time, no one really spoke to us or gave us any Senator BOND. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I think this witness, just in the limited area, has given us an idea of some of the difficulties of the investigation and we will be getting into the question, of access to the White House papers later on. 82 I think that this all leads up to the fact that this phase of the investigation by Mr. Fiske is another very important one that we will have to explore at a 'later date. I thank the witnesses. The CHAIRMAN. And we will do so. Senator Sarbanes, you are next in line. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I just returned, and I would like to defer. I will defer to a colleague The CHAIRMAN, Would you yield to me, then, briefly? Senator SARBANES. I will pick up my round later. The CHAIRMAN. Just would you yield a couple of minutes of your time to me, then? Senator SARBANES. Certainly.
Hawaii
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:40:46) The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Rolla, I appreciate the job you do and the professionalism, and so I do not want to be misunderstood when I say this. But I was struck by your description of going to the Foster home, to give the notice, I fake it, and to try to do an initial questioning and investigation. You found a lot of people, and I gather a somewhat chaotic scene. I am just trying to imagine what it would be like, and you correct me if I am wrong in the impression that I took, but I cannot imagine anything else, if you just take the case facts. The family finds out that the husband in the family, the father in the family has just died by suicide, everybody's in a state of shock and grief and other people are coming to console them and so forth. It seems to me, you have a job to do and I respect that, and I want you to be able to do it, bat it seems to me that if you show up at a scene like that, that is probably what you are going to find in most instances, isn't it? Mr. ROLLA. Well, let me explain to you. The only people at the house were Mrs. Foster and the daughter, Lisa. The CHAIRMAN. Probably the two most important people in his life. Mr. ROLLA. Right. And that would have been ideal circumstances to make a death notification, But we got a call from our field com- mander to call David Watkins, a White House person. He's a personal friends of Mr. Foster. His wife had just played tennis with Mrs. Foster that afternoon, and it is not uncommon on to bring a close family friend along 'for a notification for comfort and support. So, of course, we agreed and we went to Mr. Watkins' house to pick him up and his wife followed us over there. After we're parking the car, we're notified that both Mr. Foster's sisters and some other people were coming over there, could we wait for them. I said, no, I do not want to wait for them. The police knocking at your door at night- when you are missing a loved one for a while is bad enough. To have a trail of people outside is a circus atmosphere. I asked them to wait outside, but there were still 5 other people, besides the 4, myself and Investigator Braun, Mr. and Mrs. Watkins, 4 or 5 other people waiting on the landing, which they could see, and when they opened the door, they all came in. It was not ideal circumstances, It was beyond our control at that point, and the grieving and everything else, you are right, is perfectly normal. 83 The CHAIRMAN. I guess I am just trying to imagine the scene and I appreciate your describing it . I think to imagine Mr. Foster's sister arriving in a state of Sock and grief, and the others, I think in many families, that is exactly what would take place. I mean, You would suddenly have everyone coming to console the family and try to find out what happened in a state of shock, and I guess what I am saying is I realize that makes it harder for you to go in and be able to talk to the family and do what you need to do. But I think under conditions like this, it is very understandable to me that that would happen, and I can see why you might view it one way, and they would view it a different way. That is my point. You can see that, I am sure, Mr. ROLLA. I see it is very understandable. My only point that ever made was that when we asked was he depressed or certain questions, did they see this coming, that everything was a negative answer. And it comes out that he was and certain people in the family knew about it, and we just did not get much cooperation. Under the circumstances, you are right, it is a hard circumstances, The CHAIRMAN. Senator D'Amato Senator DAMATO. Senator Mack. The CHAiRmAN. Senator Mack, do you want to be recognized? Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to continue along the line of questioning that the Chairman was pursuing with respect to what you experienced at the home. In looking through the materials that you have prepared for us, there is an incident that occurred, Ms. Braun, involving you. You were engaged in carrying out your responsibilities under a very difficult set of circumstances.
Gals Hit the Silk: Soviet Women Display Parachute Skills
How are you going to keep "em in the kitchen after this??? Russian women are going in for the sport of parachuting in a big way. They start at 5,000 feet - but after test in height altitude chambers they take off for the stratosphere for five and six mile jumps. Lady, it's a long way down!! Sky divers free falling, they finely open their shoots and they land exactly on the X. Woman parachutist coming down from the sky one after another and they all hit the mark. One woman comes within inches of hitting her bulls eye. The women are standing in a line without their parachute gear, camera pans the line of pretty women. The women parachutist going into pressure chamber. Women sitting in the pressure chamber with breathing apparatus covering their mouths. One of the women side profile. A technician looking into the window smiling at the ladies. Women embarking on to a plane wearing all their gear on. Women jumping out of the plane, some taking a long free fall. One of the women chutists taking off her mask.