[00.30.35-BAKER continues questioning DEAN about the state of NIXON'S knowledge of the coverup, assessing the quality of evidence regarding the Sept. 15, 1972 meeting] Senator BAKER. All right. It, seems to me then that the extent to which the September 15 meeting Would give us some guidance in our inquiry as to what the President dent knew and when he knew it, that you depend on a combination of things. You depend on your experience at the White House as a staffer with the interrelationships of staff and the Presidential staff; the remarks which did not relate directly to Watergate, that is, the break-in at Watergate or to the concealment of the involvements and responsibilities for it. [00.31.30] But based on the general tenor of the conversation, you gained the impression, I believe you said, to paraphrase Your testimony, that the President knew that there was an on-going counter-effort, at least, and when you couple that with your knowledge of the relationships and circumstances, that you concluded then in your own mind that he knew something, and I don't believe You have testified quite exactly what, about the events involved? Mr. DEAN. Well, I might say one thing that did come specifically out, of the conversation was that we had leaped the hurdle of the, Justice Department investigation and the indictments -were down. Now the looming problems were the Patman committee hearings, and the President gave very clear instructions to Mr. Timmons he, should get, on top of those so they did not get out of hand because that was the next problem. IT was also very clear that I was to follow up with the civil litigation and see anything I could do to make sure that this didn't get out of hand. [00.32.44] [2 PAGES MISSING FROM TRANSCRIPT--PARAPHRASED] Senator BAKER states, not to distort DEAN, but it's true that DEAN had to draw inferences from the conversation and DEAN'S knowledge of the relationships of the staff that led him to believe NIXON knew of the efforts to counter the Watergate publicity, and possibly the facts regarding responsibility for the break-in itself. DEAN agrees to that summarization. BAKER states that there was no direct statement about CRP involvement in Watergate, NIXON'S knowledge, of either Watergate or the Coverup. In BAKER'S words, no direct "category one" information. DEAN. Repeats that he will not place interpretations on the things he reports, and has reported all of the evidence that he can about the meeting. BAKER says the information is useful. There will be more exploration of the Sept. 15 meeting, especially when HALDEMAN comes before the committee. [00.33.55] BAKER states that the only other person present on Sept. 12 was NIXON, BAKER is not prepared to say how the committee can get NIXON'S testimony about the events, but in any case, DEAN'S testimony will be compared in the future to other testimony. Asks about DEAN'S next meeting with NIXON. [00.34.40] DEAN states that the next meeting was preceeded by the events of the LaCOSTA meetings, in which EHRLICHMAN and HALDEMAN dictated the policy for the continuing coverup as the ERVIN COMMITTEE was announced. DEAN was asked by HALDEMAN at this time to prepare an agenda for a meeting with the PRESIDENT of the strategy for the next part of the coverup. BAKER states that he wants to know chiefly "WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?", requests DEAN to keep that focus, first on DEAN'S direct knowledge from meeting with NIXON, second by circumstantial evidence.

Congress Doubtful Seats Although the Democrats retain a working majority in congress, as of this moment, the contested election results in some states may affect that majority. In New York, W. Kingsland Macy, center in the controversial Hanley letter affair, appears to have lost out to his Democrat rival. And in Michigan, Governor Williams, who seemed defeated at first, but wins in a close election. When the 82nd congress convenes under the capital dome it will have a closely divided partisan membership. In the senate only two votes separate the parties and one seat still in doubt that of democratic senator elect William Benton of Connecticut. This election is now before the courts for a recount. Should he lose, the Senate would be deadlocked at 48 for each party. OHS Election officials checking the ballots. MCU Impounded voting machines getting checked out by voting commissioners. CU Reprehensive Macy smoking a pipe. CU Earnest Freewood. CU Governor Williams. MLS Capital dome. OHS senate with the senators. CU Governor Raymond of New York. OHS The House 82nd congress. CUThe Capital.

00:09:32:- MS's and tight LS of several shirtless boys playing a crude game of stickball in a small grassy section near a shopping district. 00:11:20:- Good MS of four old-timers sitting on a park bench and talking... well, one of them talks, the others remain grim and silent. 00:11:43:- MS of a young boy (in FG) staring into a store display: a mannequin wears a University of Michigan sweatshirt. CU of another shirt on another mannequin, a logo over the left breast that reads, "Legends". Creepy CU of another mannequin, this one of a baby in action: wears a cute lil' slugger outfit. 00:13:00:- MS of three young boys standing in front of an abandoned store and talking to an off-screen producer. Cut to silly MS of a shirtless young boy doing karate chops for the camera on a busy sidewalk.

Anniversary: Italy Marks Sixth Year As Republic More than 20,000 troops, joined by tanks and low-flying planes, present a stirring spectacle as Italy stages the greatest military parade since World War II, to mark the sixth anniversary of the republic. The famed Bersaglieri are in the line of march. The President and Prime Minister (Luigi Einaudi and Alcide De Gasperi) are watching. Military planes fly overhead to show their might. Tanks in parade.

Fashion Parade. Buyers from America preview Italy's latest contributions to haute couture, a full line of new outfits for the spring and summer seasons featuring ideas and workmanship that will be reflected in tomorrow's trends. On a runway, a model holds open her jacket, flashing the audience with - what is it? - perhaps a swimsuit (?) with brassiere-like top and shorts on bottom, geometric pattern - almost like Op Art style, ahead of its time. Not on runway but just posing for camera are two young ladies wearing day dresses (I think) with fitted waist and flared skirt that falls about mid-calf; they also wear hats and short gloves. Next, two more models: one wears a long dark skirt and matching jacket/blazer, the other wears a sassy polka-dot dress with short sleeves. Then, evening gowns: one is a glittering, tightly fitted, sleeveless gown worn with a fur stole; the other is also fitted and glittering, with straps and a train of sorts - what looks like crinoline is hanging from the back of the dress, sweeping the ground. Both of these models have a feather or something on their heads. Another elegant evening gown - fitted sleeveless bodice with a skirt made of cascading ruffles or bows, worn with elbow-length gloves.

Product Shots - Everything Must Go Sale! CU of a small ceramic ladle decorated with classic 1950's organic design, a gloved handed reaches into the scene and snatches the pottery out of frame, shot is repeated. CU male display bust clothed in an oxford button-up shirt and striped tie, hand reaches into the scene and snatches the tie off the display. CU hand in a black glove pounding away on a typewriter, two gloved hands reach into the scene and snatch the typewriter out of frame. CU two hands pulling stacked cooking pots in opposite directions. MS elderly woman looking at what appears to be an old school air conditioning unit (AC), a man walks into frame and rolls the unit off screen from under the woman's nose. MS stream of people walking past camera with various domestic objects, only their torso area is seen as they walk by. MS of a plaid golf club bag. Title card reading 'SOLD.' Fly-eye view of golf bag. MS chair. Title card reading 'SOLD.' Fly-eye view of chair. MS kitchen stove. Title card reading 'SOLD.' Fly-eye view of stove. Illustration of a ranch style house. Title card reading 'SOLD.' Illustration of community of ranch style homes. Diamond montage: Brief MS woman in formal gown swaying back and forth, abstract slit-screen of shiny jewels with a metal lighter superimposed over them, CU dangling diamond earrings, abstract shot of sparkly jewels spinning rather quickly. MS table with place setting, a female hand reaches in and adjusts the silverware. Abstract kaleidoscope effect creating moving/merging shapes. MS automated lazy-susan revolving with various products, scene is made to look like a low budget party with sparse streamers. Weird cartoon drawing of a woman holding a lollypop. MS revolving lazy-susan. CU sunglasses displayed on a ceramic vase. CU automated revolving get-up displaying men's bowties. CU products on lazy-susan passing camera (polka-dot bowl, coffee pot and transistor radio are seen). MS vertical flyswatters moving past a cartoon illustration of a man sipping a soda through a straw. Illustration of man sipping a soda. CU products on lazy-susan moving past camera (Swiss army knife and drinking glass with playing card motif are seen). CU stack of bath towels moving past camera. CU ceramic rooster moving past camera. MS drinking glass revolving past camera. CU cooking pots revolving past camera. CU goofy figurine revolving past camera. ECU of product with abstract fish motif revolving past camera. ECU ring moving past camera. MS furniture sets moving past camera. MS revolving lazy-susan.

130-1 Rocket Countdown (07:29 - 08:09) 130-2 Redstone missile countdown (08:11 - 08:49) 130-3 Rocket take off (08:51 - 09:44)

Porter Wagoner "Hold on Tight" Cal Smith "Love'd You All Over the World" ? "Durham's Bull" (Instrumental) Dolly Parton "Love With Me" Porter Wagoner (Narration) Speck Rhodes (phone) (comedy/narration) Porter Wagoner "Satan's River" (Gospel) Cal Smith "Lord Knows I'm Drinkin'" Group "Crawdad Song"

Porter Wagoner "Wake Up Jacob" Jimmy C. Newman "Blue Darlin" ? "Scotland Yard" (Instrumental) Barbara Lee "You Can Have Him" Porter Wagoner "Cold Hard Facts of Life" Speck Rhodes "More Pretty Girls" Porter Wagoner "Suppertime" (Gospel) Jimmy C. Newman "Alligator Man" (Cajun)

High contrast, not bad imagery University goes a-riding! Omnibus college perambulates for students seeking higher education far-afield. A man giving a lecture to students outdoors.

Dull in imagery and contrast Pre-lenten gaiety in the crescent city's famed mardi gras. Merry-makers throng the streets in exotic costumes, gaily decorated floats on parade keynote the world-famed carnival. Establishing shot - Crowded streets with people and parades MVUS - King of the Mardi Gras waving his septor at the crowd MCUS - Float with giant dice and cards MCUS - Out stretched arms and hands catching trinkets

Jim Ed Brown "Ain't Life Sweet" Harlow Wilcox "Groovy Grubworm" Crystal Gayle "Carolina In My Mind" Harlow Wilcox "Mo Jo Working" Sound 70 "Tucky Home" Jim Ed Brown "Laying Here Lying in Bed" Jim Ed Brown "Rainy Jane" Jim Ed Brown and Crystal Gayle "Gotta Travel On"

[00.53.04-GURNEY continues to question DEAN about his receipt of the FBI files of the Watergate investigation-DEAN is not stumped in the least, GURNEY is getting cross with DEAN.] Senator GURNEY. Let me get back again now to the conversation with Mr. Gray. Wasn't he pretty specific with you that the only reason he would turn these things over to you is because the President of the United States requested them through you? Mr. DEAN. Well, Senator, in my dealing with Mr. Gray, from the very outset he was very anxious to be of any assistance he could. For example, when I first met with him and he told me he was traveling--- Senator GURNEY. Could we get to my question now. Mr. DEAN. Certainly, I just want to explain the circumstance of a conversation so you can understand it in full and can fully appreciate it. When he told me, for example, he was traveling around the country a lot and I should deal -with Mark Felt, that to me evidenced that Mr. Gray wanted to be of assistance; if he wasn't there, I should talk to others. The same tenor was in the conversation that he, would have to check, and he wanted assurances these were going to the President, this information -would go to the President. I am sure he knew very well that the President didn't want to sit down and read a stack of raw FBI materials. [00.54.13] Senator GURNEY. Then it is your understanding that it was Mr. Gray's understanding that the reason why you were there getting those 302 forms is because the President had you requested you to; is that correct? Mr. DEAN. I don't believe that is necessarily my understanding that 'he, as I recall wanted to know, you know was this information going back to the President, and I assured him it -was. [00.54.39-GURNEY continues to try to paint DEAN as the chief architect of the coverup, particularly that he intentionally withheld information from NIXON] Senator GURNEY. Well, did it? Did you ever report to the President what was in those 302 forms? Mr. DEAN. There was never anything in those FBI reports that I read, worth reporting even to Mr. Haldeman or Mr. Ehrlichman. Senator GURNEY. Did You ever show a single one, of the 82 302 files to the President? Mr. DEAN. No, not to my recollection; no, sir. Senator GURNEY. Did You ever report a, single information that was in those files to the President? Mr. DEAN. Not, to my recollection, no. I may have reported the general tenor of the investigation -which was, I might say, very vigorous. Senator GURNEY. You reported that to the President? Mr. DEAN. No, I would report that to Mr. Haldeman and Mr. Ehrlichman and as my channel of reporting. Senator GURNEY. Did you ever get a call from Mr. Gray about this newspaper story about one of the reports being shown to Mr. Segretti? Mr. DEAN. Yes, I did. Senator GURNEY. Would you report that to the committee? [00.55.33] Mr. DEAN. Well, I recall that when that story broke, Mr. Gray called me and asked -me, if that were true, and I said absolutely not. that the FBI reports have never left my office and I have never showed an FBI report to Mr. Segretti which, in fact, is true. I -never showed an FBI report to Mr. Segretti. Senator GURNEY. did you gather from this conversation that Mr. Gray was pretty disturbed about the fact that, the, report might be shown not only to Segretti but any anybody else? Mr. DEAN. I didn't have the impression that, he was upset by it. I don't know how often Mr. Gray and I talked but we talked frequently. We had worked together at, the Department of Justice, and while it was reported that he called me with some outrage, Mr. Gray and I generally didn't have that type, of conversation. He said something to the effect that "Is that true, you know, I can't believe you would do that," and I said "No, it is not true and I never showed Segretti any FBI reports." [00.56.46-GURNEY tries to gloss over the closeness of the White House relationship to the FBI and suggest something sinister about DEAN receiving the 302 forms for the Watergate investigation] Senator GURNEY. Of course you worked at the Department of Justice for some time. and I suppose you have some, familiarity with the procedures down there. Isn't it a most unusual thing for a 302 report to be let out of the FBI office to anyone? Mr. DEAN. Well, I know this: that the White House receives on a regular basis and my office was the recipient, on a regular basis, of countless FBI information. Now this deals with everything from background investigation---- Senator GURNEY. I am talking about the 302 forms that are filed with raw data. Mr. DEAN. Yes. Senator GURNEY. Not reports. Mr. DEAN. I don't recall ever receiving 302's at the White House other than on this incident. I really was never terribly aware of what the Policy was. I didn't work with the criminal cases in the Department of Justice while, I was there so I don't know, if there were other occasions when 302's were sent anywhere or not. I cant answer the question Senator GURNEY. But I understood you to say your understanding with Gray on these 302 files would be that you would guard them very closely. Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator GURNEY. Who did you show, them to? Mr. DEAN. Well, as I testified, after the report on the 21st came to my office, Mr. Mardian was anxious to see them. Mr. Mitchell thought that -was a good idea and also that Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Parkinson also came to see, them. They came to my office, I recall them scanning them. They decided there really wasn't much in there that interested them. The thing that sticks In my mind most is that Mardian was, who was apparently very familiar with 302 and FBI investigations from being the head of the Internal Security Division said that, you know, "Gray is just, going hog wild here" because of the tone, and the tenor, of the, interoffice from one field office or from headquarters to field offices, that the tone of the cables that were being sent out of headquarters. Senator GURNEY. Mardian, O'Brien, Parkinson weren't even in the White House then? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Mr. DEAN. The reelection committee. Senator GURNEY. Do you think Mr. Gray had any idea that people like that outside of the White House were looking at these files? Mr. DEAN. I am sure he had none because I didn't tell him. [00.59.06]

Fordham's Rams batter the Miami eleven to score a decisive 20-0 win over the Hurricanes. MLS - QB throws football to the receiver. MLS - QB throws once more to the same receiver and once more the football is caught. MLS - Miami kicks on fourth down, Fordham catches the ball and runs it in for a touch down. Fordham Rams win.

Airforce supersonic research moves to the top of Hurricane Mesa, where a dummy-carrying rocket sled is boosted to supersonic speed, to hurtle a dummy over the precipice, in the most drastic trial of pilot safety gear. Establisshing shot - Airrial shot of Hurricane Mesa. MCUS - Military giving an all clear signal. MCUS - Military men putting the rockets into place. CUS - A couple of dials. MCUS - The switch is hit and the rocket takes off. MS - The dummy is exxxpelled from the sled and hurdled over a thousand clif. The most drastic trial of the safty gear that spells life or death for American air men.

Fashion Parade. At home fashions with chic suburbanites. A day with a Darien, Conn., housewife, from brunch-time snack to dressy dinner party-all in high style. Various shots of fashionable housewife (? - or professional model) around the house, donning different outfits through the day. Puttering around the kitchen at breakfast in bathrobe or long nightgown. She pulls on a skirt while a guest is visiting (seems odd). She and guest, wearing stylish casual daywear, drink tea together. Housewife sits and drinks cocktail in patterned dress with what looks like a large long ribbon hanging off of it. Chicken roasts on a spit in fireplace (?!). Various staged-looking shots of 3 couples at cocktail party in home - the neighbor is wearing something by Oleg Cassini! Postwar prosperity, I suppose. Wow.

Watergate Hearings: Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities June 28, 1973 - Testimony of John Dean.

Sports: Seattle, Motorcycle Mud Race. Two girls (women) join the fun this year, joining the men cyclists for the annual spring mud race through the quagmire. It's gooey and muddy, and most of the hopefuls bog down, but the winner gets a hero's reward. Comical shots of motorcyclists driving through mud puddles, spinning out quite remarkably, slogging through mud, etc. The winner, who has mud on his face, kisses a young woman; they laugh. Funny, unusual competition.

[01.03.49-DEAN responds to the White House Memo accusing DEAN of masterminding the coverup] Mr. DEAN.---I was asked to handle testimony in different ways. Wen I came down from Camp David there was no doubt in my mind that I wasn't going to play the coverup game and I wasn't I going to give them any further information with which they could play the coverup game. Senator INOUYE. Were you In fact, Mr. Dean, preparing your own testimony? Mr. DEAN. I was going through and recalling everything I could remember about the incidents. I had been asked to do that, and if the President had called and asked me for that report-- Senator INOUYE. Did you spend the 6 days preparing testimony for your own use? Mr. DEAN. Let me complete, Senator If the President called me and asked me for that report, I would have sent it, to the President of the United States. There is no doubt about that. That isn't, who was calling and asking me for it, It was Mr. Ehrlichman who was calling me from -California, he wanted any part I had of it, and based on the earlier conversations I had had wasn't about to give it to Mr. Ehrlichman. So I can't say I was preparing my own testimony because I wasn't Preparing my own testimony. I was trying to reconstruct, as I had been asked to do I what I remembered as to what had occurred'. [01.05.01] Senator INOUYE. You have testified on several occasions that you were concerned with the enormity of the problem. If it was so, why did you not on your own present to the President your written report? Mr. DEAN. Well, I thought I had very clearly made, the point to 'the President on the 21st. What I saw occurring after the 21st indicated to me that there was a certain degree of protection going on by Mr. Haldeman and Mr. Ehrlichman. I was never sure that if I had sent the, report the President would ever see it for one thing. Senator INOUYE. As the President's counsel, and you were seeing the President quite often during those days, could you not have personally handed the report to him? [01.05.46] Mr. DEAN. The President was in California, Senator, at the, time. He left shortly after I came down and I had this little, round of activities; -with Mr. Haldeman and Mr. Mitchell and Mr. Magruder, and they -were off to California. Senator INOUYE. [QUOTING W.H. MEMO ATTACKING DEAN'S TESTIMONY] "The failure of Dean's muse while he was on the mountain is understandable since by this time it would have been impossible to write a believable report that would not have been self-indicting. While he was at Camp David, Dean told Ehrlichman's assistant that he was not getting the statement done but was planning his own defense." And this is from Mr. Ehrlichman. Mr. DEAN. That is not true, Senator Senator INOUYE. [QUOTING W.H. MEMO ATTACKING DEAN'S TESTIMONY] "Haldeman talked with him several times and felt, that Dean was not having much progress in writing his report, but it became clear that he was worrying more about himself.'"' This is from Haldeman. Mr. DEAN. Well, as I say when I came down from Camp David, I don't think it was a question of worrying about, myself as what I was witnessing was Mr. Haldeman and then subsequently Mr. Ehrlichman becoming very concerned about themselves. [01.07.09] Senator INOUYE. [QUOTING W.H. MEMO ATTACKING DEAN'S TESTIMONY] "On the 25th the President suggested it be announced that Dean would appear before the grand jury." Mr. DEAN. On what. date? Senator INOUYE. On March 25. Mr. DEAN. On March 25, I was at Camp David. The President was in Florida. That was a Sunday as I recall, and I recall no conversation with the President. I have, no knowledge of that at all. That is a new one to -me. [01.07.45] Senator INOUYE. [QUOTING W.H. MEMO ATTACKING DEAN'S TESTIMONY] "On the 26th Dean agreed but said he -would do so only if given immunity." Mr. DEAN. No, sir, I had no conversations with anybody. They were in Florida at that, time. The discussion that morning, if You will recall was that the President came out 'With a statement that he warmly endorsed me, he expressed new confidence or renewed confidence, in me, that he had allegedly spoken directly with me, and had no concern at, all about my prior knowledge of this matter and I do not recall any statement about going before the grand jury being issued when he was giving me this very warm embrace. [01.08.23]

Rolling - Shaky, dull in contrast and imagery Atenna in the finals of the Big Marble-Shooting Contest. Bill gets a sceptre emblematic of his triumph over hundreds of agate specialists.

News in Brief: Canada Cattle Slaughtered. Dread hoof & mouth disease breaks out in Saskatchewan, and hundreds of diseased cattle are rounded up and shot to prevent the further spread of the dread plague. Farm in winter. Men post sign: "Quarantined." Cows are herded along. Cows in a pit unknowingly awaiting death. Men fire guns toward the cattle. Bulldozer pushes dirt over the dead cattle in their giant grave.

Trooping the colors, traditional ceremony of color and pomp that marks the Queen's birthday. In full dress uniform, her majesty Elizabeth reviews the guards. Members of the royal family ride through cheering throngs to the event. While in the audience, armed police watch for a threatened assassination attempt. Establishing shot - Queen Elizabeth riding her steed while throngs of loyal subjects line the streets. Looking down - At the Queen riding her steed and her escorts riding in back of her.. MS - Queen Elizabeth riding past the Grenadier Troops standing at attention. MS - Climax of the time honored ceremony coming to a climax when the colors are handed over to the ensign. MS - Queen comes to a stop, salutes proudly as the entire regiment marches in review.

[00.50.20-GURNEY continues to try to suggest DEAN had embezzled campaign funds to discredit his other testimony] Senator GURNEY. Just a couple, of other questions about, the use of the money. You mentioned that you had this work done, in the patio I think that, was about $500 worth of work, is that correct?, Mr. DEAN. That is approximately what I recall, yes. Senator GURNEY. Why did you not pay that, by check? That would be the normal procedure? Mr. DEAN. I ultimately did. Senator GURNEY. I thought, you said you paid it out, of cash out of this account? Mr. DEAN. 'No, I told you I was anticipating what, my needs -would be, at, that time, but, I did not use it, for that purpose ultimately. As I said, I made personal expenditures out of the, money for everything from groceries to other incidentals. Senator GURNEY. Why did you not pay those things by check? Mr. DEAN. Because I had the cash in my possession and I was using it for that purpose. Senator. Senator- GURNEY. But cash out of this trust fund. Mr. DEAN. That is correct. [00.51.17] Senator GURNEY. I am curious about the wedding trip. Do you use credit cards? Mr. DEAN. Sometimes, Sometimes not. Senator GURNEY. You do have credit cards? Mr. DEAN. Yes, I do. Senator GURNEY. Did it ever occur to you to use these, on your honeymoon instead of this cash? Mr. DEAN. Well, as my wife well knows, I try to use my credit cards as infrequently as possible, because I don't like to live on credit. [00.51.40-Mrs. DEAN shown, laughing, seems a bit embarrassed that her husband is publicly admitting to being tight with money, laughter from audience heard] Senator GURNEY. Turning to the meetings with the President, now, as I understand it, you engaged your counsel--I think this is where we left off when we adjourned this morning--on April 2 of this year. Oh, yes, Mr. Chairman, I would like to make this statement of the National Savings & Trust Co. of John Welsey [sic] Dean III's account a part of the record. Senator ERVIN. The reporter will mark this as an exhibit and insert it in the record at this point. Senator GURNEY. Would you state again now when you engaged your Present counsel? Mr. DEAN. I engaged Mr. Shaffer on the. 30th of March. Mr. McCandless was engaged, as I recall, sometime in mid-April, after Mr. Hogan had removed himself from the case. Senator GURNEY. Now, at that time, I suppose you discussed with him your criminal liability, is that correct--your possible criminal liability excuse me. Mr. DEAN. At the first meeting I had with Mr. Shaffer on the 30th, I think we spent initially about 5 hours in which I went over the highlights. He said, I would like to think about that over the weekend and meet with you again on Monday morning. That was on a Friday. On Monday morning, we met again, spent about 2 hours or more going over -further details, in which I was giving him the highlights of everything that I knew about the entire picture. [00.53.58-GURNEY wants to know if DEAN had contact with NIXON while he was deciding to cooperate with the prosecution] Senator GURNEY. Did you have any discussions in this time frame with the President of the United States? Mr. DEAN The President--- Senator GURNEY. The time frame, you are talking about? Mr. DEAN. The President had gone to 'San Clemente at that time. Senator GURNEY. Actually, did you have any meeting at all with the President from the meeting on March 22 and the phone calls on March 23? 1 understand there, were two. Mr. DEAN. No, one. Senator GURNEY. One only? Mr. DEAN. There was one call. As I said, when. I arrived at Camp David, they said it. was the, President calling but it was Mr. Haldeman. I assume. he was calling from the President's office at, that time. Senator GURNEY. Then. there were no phone calls on the 23d with the President? [00.54.39] Mr. DEAN. Yes, there was. There was one phone call on the, 23d. I don't recall the precise. hour, sometime after lunch, when we discussed my going to Camp David. Senator GURNEY. Y. And that was the last,, contact with him until April 14, is that correct? Mr. DEAN. I believe it was April 15, Senator. Senator GURNEY. April 15? Mr. DEAN. Yes. [00.55.00]

[00.27.24-Sen. GURNEY continues his pro-WHITE HOUSE questioning, trying to imply that DEAN brought LIDDY to the CRP and orchestrated his spying activities] Senator GURNEY. Would that not be important in finding out his qualifications, his previous employment? Mr. DEAN. Well, I was told, for example, when I met him--when I talked to Mr. Krogh about him, I can recall Mr. Krogh very specifically telling me that he had written some of the best legal memorandums that he had run across in a long time. He explained that Gordon had taken some rather complex subjects and analyzed them in a very precise way. One of these -memoranda had gone in to the President and the President had complimented Mr. Liddy through Mr. Krogh on the quality of the document that he had prepared. Senator GURNEY. Was it understood that part of his duties -would be in charge of security or things like that? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator GURNEY. Well, did you ask any questions of him as to what he had had been doing in the area of security? Mr. DEAN. I was told that he had an FBI, Treasury Department, law enforcement background. There, was not a, great focus on that at that time. I know Mr. Krogh had worked in the past before, I came to the 'White House and partially after I was still at the White House with the demonstrator problem. Mr. Krogh was very knowledgeable in the area, and -when he told me that he thought Mr. Liddy had these qualifications I thought that Mr. Krogh's judgment was good and in fact, it was partially Mr. Krogh's working with me from my position at the Department of Justice that resulted in my coming into the White House. Senator GURNEY. You never did go into -what he had been doing with Krogh and Hunt? Mr. DEAN. No, I did not. [00.29.02-DEAN'S role in planning the WATERGATE-GURNEY wants to make DEAN'S role seem significant] Senator GURNEY. The January 27 meeting occurred and as I recall, you testified that the original plan--and I do not know what the word was that you used to describe it, but--- Mr. DEAN. I think I called it a mission impossible plan. Senator GURNEY. I think that is probably a, good description. Did you ever talk to Mr. Mitchell or Mr. Magruder after this horrendous plan, about whether Liddy really was competent, to stay on and work for the, Committee, To Re-Elect the. President? Mr. DEAN. As I recall, the only conversation I had was a very brief conversation. Mr. Liddy was taking the charts off the easel and they were preparing to leave the office when I paused in front of Mr. Mitchell's desk and he told me that, this was certainly out, of the question I do not, think anyone knew that a plan of that dimension was going to be presented at that time. Senator GURNEY. Well, did it worry you that this man came up with kidnapping prostitution, mugging, and all the rest, of it? Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir, it did. Senator GURNEY. But you never really discussed it with Mitchell and Magruder as to his capability, Liddy's capability of staying on at the job? [00.30.20] Mr. DEAN. Well, sir, you would have had to have been there to believe it and I might say that, it was so far out that there -was no hope, in my mind that anyone was ever going to approve any plan like this. So I just assumed that it was going to die, a, natural death. Senator GURNEY. Now we come, to the second meeting that occurred on February 1. My recollection is that you came in a little later this day. Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator GURNEY. My recollection also is that you testified that you -were, again disturbed. My Very disturbed at what he was proposing. Is that true? Mr. DEAN. That is correct and I was injecting myself into the meeting in an effort to terminate the meeting, which I did. Senator GURNEY. Well, did you have any discussion after the meeting with Mr. Mitchell and Mr. Magruder about his continuing? Mr. DEAN. I had a direct discussion with Mr. Liddy at, that time. I might add. after the first meeting I had told Mr. Liddy he should destroy the charts. After the second meeting, as we were leaving the office, I told him that I would not discuss this with him any further. I indicated to him that it still was not what was necessary and it was a rather brief discussion, I must say I felt very sorry for Gordon Liddy during much of this because of the fact that he had received no guidance from anybody that, I could tell-certainly none from me--as to what was expected of him. It is not my nature to be hard on somebody. Rather I was trying to tell him that I felt this was not what was contemplated. [00.32.09]