Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, May 23, 1973. Testimony of Anthony Ulasewicz.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, May 23, 1973. Testimony of Anthony Ulasewicz.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, May 23, 1973. Testimony of Anthony Ulasewicz. Caucus Room, Russell Senate Office Building, Washington DC
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, May 23, 1973. Testimony of Anthony Ulasewicz.
Senator ERVIN. Senator Baker, oh excuse me .... (Baker is not seated next to him, chair is empty) Mr. Fred THOMPSON. I believe he's left us.... Senator ERVIN. Yeah, you go ahead. Mr. THOMPSON. Mr. Ulasewicz, was not Mr. Ehrlichman responsible for you being hired originally at the White House? Mr. ULASEWICZ. Yes sir. Mr. THOMPSON. Did he direct your work while you were at the White House? Mr. ULASEWICZ. Mr. Caulfield directed my work. Mr. THOMPSON. He did? Was that at the intern at the direction of Mr. Ehrlichman? Did he direct Mr. Caulfield? Mr. ULASEWICZ. That was my impression. Mr. THOMPSON. Between the first telephone call that you made to Mr. McCord until after the trial, did you discuss the calls that you were making to Mr. Ehrlichman or anyone else at the White House? Mr. ULASEWICZ. No sir. Mr. THOMPSON. You only discussed these matters with Mr. Caulfield? Mr. ULASEWICZ. And no one at any time. Mr. THOMPSON. Did you see your role as someone who was delivering certain words which you took down, say in writing and repeated? Or did you see your role as someone who was supposed to engage in conversation with Mr. McCord and paint a picture for him so to speak? Mr. ULASEWICZ. Absolutely not. Strictly as a messenger, to get these phrases over to him and I originally did not repeat them in their full context from Mr. Caulfield, as my recollection is I gave them as phrases. Mr. THOMPSON. Alright, when Mr. McCord responded to those words did you engage in conversation with him then? Mr. ULASEWICZ. No sir.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, May 23, 1973. Testimony of Anthony Ulasewicz.
Mr. THOMPSON. According to your best recollection was there ever any discussion between Mr. McCord and yourself about the fact that he should not testify at the trial? Mr. ULASEWICZ. I do not recall that. Mr. THOMPSON. Was there ever any discussion to the best of your recollection between Mr. McCord and yourself that he should plead guilty? Mr. ULASEWICZ. It may have been, I don't recall. Mr. THOMPSON. Well, if it may have been would this of been in your original message or would this have been pursuant to a conversation? Mr. ULASEWICZ. No it would have been in the original message, which was that only time, only that first call. Mr. THOMPSON. Alright, now this was not in your direct testimony, this was not a part of your direct testimony, is it your opinion that it was not in your original message or that it possibly could have been? Mr. ULASEWICZ. It could have been in the original message. Mr. THOMPSON. So you really don't remember what you told him? Mr. ULASEWICZ. Oh, from the best of my recollection these three phrases are positive, about the message to be about "a year is a long time, no one knows how a judge will go, your family needs will be provided for rehabilitation and job opportunities". When there was a pause, there may have been something on the plead guilty or so, but I was giving the messages rapidly as I could as I wanted to finish the matter. Mr. THOMPSON. Pause, pardon me, that may have come about, discussed when there was a pause. Mr. ULASEWICZ. Yeah, Mr. McCord said something that I didn't quite understand, so I repeated my message. Mr. THOMPSON. This pause, would this still have been part of your original message? Mr. ULASEWICZ. Original message, these only came in the original, any discussion of the, regarding the judge and all that business came only in the first conversation, the second conversation was to make the appointment and the third conversation was to inform him that Mr. Caulfield will try to get to him a day sooner. Mr. THOMPSON. You did not seek to interpret in anyway what the message meant to Mr. McCord? Mr. ULASEWICZ. No sir. Mr. THOMPSON. Did Mr. Caulfield ever tell you who was directing him in this matter? Mr. ULASEWICZ. He did not. Mr. THOMPSON. I have no further questions Mr. Chairman.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, May 23, 1973. Testimony of Anthony Ulasewicz.
Senator ERVIN. Didn't you infer, in other words you made the statement to Mr. McCord which Mr. Caulfield had asked you to make. Mr. ULASEWICZ. Yes sir. Senator ERVIN. Wasn't it implicit in that statement that he would get these advantages to enter the plead of guilty? Mr. ULASEWICZ. I would assume so, yes definitely. Senator ERVIN. You certainly didn't construe this statement that he was going to be rehabilitated and given a year, and serve a year in jail and get all this fine treatment if he fought the case. Mr. ULASEWICZ. Absolutely, I didn't mean to infer any such thing definitely. Senator ERVIN. Senator Baker? (Senator Baker doesn't seem to be there) If not, I'll pass direct to Senator Gurney. Senator GURNEY. Mr. Chairman, I don't have any questions of the witness. Senator ERVIN. Senator Talmadge.