Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
NPACT logo. Still of Senate Resolution 60; Robert MacNeil (VO) reads text of resolution. Capitol Dome at night, superimposed title: "Senate Hearings on Campaign Activities."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
NPACT correspondent Robert MacNeil seated at desk in studio, states the Senate committee was back to work after the Memorial Day holiday, has resisted attempts to derail proceedings and have voted unanimously to continue to hold the hearings in their own time. MacNeil describes this as a "blunt rebut" to Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox, who wanted postponement. MacNeil notes the committee did agree not to challenge convicted conspirator G. Gordon Liddy's invocation of the 5th Amendment, therefore he will not appear before the committee. MacNeil says the two witnesses in today's session will be Liddy's secretary, Sally Harmony, and Robert Reisner, chief assistant to Jeb Magruder, deputy Nixon campaign director. MacNeil says the day's testimony sheds more light on the nature of Gemstone, the files of clandestine political intelligence gained by the Committee to Re-Elect the President. Counsel Terry Lenzner introducing manila envelope with red block letters reading "Sensitive Material" as evidence; Senator and Chairman of the Committee Sam Ervin (D-NC) and Chief Counsel Samuel Dash seated next to Lenzer, listening.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
NPACT correspondent Robert MacNeil says the next day's witness will be former Nixon campaign treasurer Hugh Sloan Jr. MacNeil introduces NPACT correspondent Peter Kaye, speaking to Chief Counsel Samuel Dash about Committee's decision to delay questioning Watergate operative/burglar E. Howard Hunt. Dash says Hunt will be called later to testify about events after the break-in. Hunt states the Committee's decision to not call G. Gordon Liddy to public hearings stems from the fact that Liddy has refused to testify under the 5th and 6th Amendments of the Constitution, therefore his appearance would only be for show, not befitting the Committee's purposes. MacNeil promises more of Kaye's interview with Dash later in the coverage, states that Liddy's employees will be the ones who testify and offer more circumstantial evidence.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
DO NOT USE AUDIO of Jim Lehrer, off-screen, speaking to author/journalist Alan Barth, guest commentator. Lehrer asks Barth's opinion about what to look for.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
Author Alan Barth says the testimony will not provide any sensationalism, but there will be a methodical development of evidence necessary to this inquiry and its continuation. There will be no grandstanding by any party or committee member and the hearing will be carried out with great professionalism.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
DO NOT USE AUDIO of Jim Lehrer, off-screen. Author Alan Barth sitting next to Adrian Fisher, Dean of the Georgetown Law School.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
NPACT correspondent Robert MacNeil provides introduction to the day's hearings, what has transpired thus far. MacNeil (VO) summarizes testimony. Committee table with minority counsel Fred Thompson, U.S. Senators Edward Gurney (R-FL), Lowell Weicker (R-CT) and Herman Talmadge (D-GA) in their seats; mostly adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in the BG and adult Caucasian male and female photographers standing or sitting in the FG. Committee Chairman and Senator Sam Ervin (D-NC) entering room, taking his seat; majority counsel Samuel Dash speaking with two unidentified Caucasian men as Senator Howard Baker (R-TN) takes his seat. Sen. Ervin bangs gavel, brings session to order.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
Chairman of the Senate Select Committee and U.S. Senator Sam Ervin (D-NC): "I wish to make the following statement on behalf of the committee. The committee has carefully considered the request of the special prosecutor of the so-called Watergate case and has unanimously determined that its duty requires it to decline to grant such request for these reasons: First, the committee has been authorized and directed by a resolution, unanimously adopted by the Senate, to investigate the so-called Watergate affair and its ramifications and to recommend to the Congress adoption of any legislation it deems necessary and appropriate as a result of its findings and for this reason has no authority to postpone or terminate these activities under the Senate resolution. Second, the committee is unwilling to share the fears of the special prosecutor that the courts will permit guilty parties to go un-whipped of justice simply because the Senate committee exercises the constitutional rights and obligations of the Senate to inform the Congress and the American people of the truth in respect to the Watergate affair. Third, the committee believes that there is more likelihood that any other persons who may be indicted will be able to obtain a fair trial in an atmosphere of judicial calm after, rather than before, the committee completes its task." U.S. Sen. Howard Baker (R-TN): "Mr. Chairman, I thoroughly concur with your statement. As you pointed out, it was adopted unanimously by the committee. I might only add if I may, that while the jurisdictional responsibility of the committee is to hear evidence and to make a report and recommendations to the Congress on legislation, I believe that a further responsibility inherent in the system of legislative hearings is the responsibility to do the public's business in public view." Sen. Ervin: "Does any other member of the committee have any statement to make in this connection?...If not, the counsel will call the first witness." Senate Committee members seated: Senators Sam Ervin, Howard Baker, Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Joseph Montoya (D-NM), Herman Talmadge (D-GA), Edward Gurney (D-FL), Lowell P. Weicker Jr. (R-CT), Majority Counsel Samuel Dash, and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian male and female photographers in FG.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash calls Sally Harmony to testify. Harmony and her adult Caucasian male attorney take witness chairs; adult Caucasian male members of the media in BG, adult Caucasian male and female photographers taking pictures of the witness in FG. U.S. Senator and Committee Chairman Sam Ervin (D-NC) stands, raises right hand, swears in Harmony. Dash begins inquiry; Harmony gives name and address for the record; her lawyer Thomas Quinn enters into the record. Dash: "Mrs. Harmony, will you tell the committee where you were employed around the period of March 1972?" Mrs. Harmony: "I was employed at the Committee To Re-Elect the President. My employer was G. Gordon Liddy. Mr. Dash: "Where was that located then?" Mrs. Harmony: "1701 Pennsylvania Avenue." Mr. Dash: "Will you tell the committee where you were actually physically located in the offices of the Committee To Re-Elect the President?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes. When I first went to work for the committee, our offices were located on the eighth floor. Approximately 2 weeks after that, we moved to the second floor, to the finance committee." Mr. Dash: "Now, over what period of time did you work with Mr. Liddy as his secretary?" Mrs. Harmony: "From March 13, 1972, until June 28, I think the date was." Mr. Dash: "And you were his secretary on the date of June 17, 1972?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Dash: "While you were working for Mr. Liddy, will you tell the committee what his duties were and something about his work hours?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Liddy, when he first began, was counsel for the Committee for the Re-Election. I would say in about 2 weeks, he changed as counsel to the finance committee." Mr. Dash: "Did he have any other assignment or responsibility, to your knowledge?" Mrs. Harmony: "When I was employed by Mr. Liddy, I think this is probably what you were referring to, he mentioned the fact that he might be involved in clandestine activities."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "What kind of hours did Mr. Liddy have, working day or night?" Secretary for G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "My recollection would be he would come in around 8:45. He would leave at 7:30 or 8 at night, sometimes 7." Mr. Dash: "Now, during this period of time, did you ever meet Howard Hunt?" Mrs. Harmony: "I had occasion to meet Mr. Hunt, yes." Mr. Dash: "Could you tell the committee what that occasion was and what were the circumstances?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I think, Mr. Dash, it was the week of April the 7th, around the 5th of April. Mr. Hunt had made a couple of phone calls to the office. Mr. Liddy was going out of town. I took an envelope to him, a regular 8x10 brown envelope, with no markings on it, to Mr. Liddy. He asked me to give it to Mr. Sloan the following morning, and after Mr. Sloan had returned it to me, I would call Mr. Hunt and he would come and pick it up." Mr. Dash: "Now, did you ever in March of 1972, while you were still on the eighth floor, type a tape furnished to you by Mr. Liddy?" Mrs. Harmony: "I did." Mr. Dash: "Would you describe that particular circumstance?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes. I was working at my desk on one particular day. Mr. Liddy went into another office, closed the door. Then when he came back out, he took a telephone call. He asked me to come into the office and transcribe a tape." Mr. Dash: "What was the nature of that tape?" Mrs. Harmony: "This I am really not definite on. The only words I can remember from it are 'Joe's Stone Crabs.' It was about a three line memo with a list of maybe five or six names. I recollect none of the names at all or what it might have been." Mr. Dash: "Was Mr. Liddy in the practice of giving you tapes to transcribe?" Mrs. Harmony: "That was the first time I had one." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever type any general intelligence memo to Mr. Liddy?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir, on a couple of occasions, yes, I did." Mr. Dash: "Could you now describe what those memos were, the format of those memos?" Mrs. Harmony: "I typed two that I can recall the content of that had come from Senator McGovern's office, headquarters."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "Mrs. Harmony, don't give us the actual contents of the memo, but could you describe or characterize what the memo referred to? Was it a telephone conversation? What was the form of the memo?" Secretary for G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "This was a question and answer. It was two people discussing something and it was put down — when I typed it, I typed it in a question and answer form. It dealt with goods and services for the Democratic National Convention. That's about it, what it amounted to." Committee Chairman Sam Ervin (D-NC) sitting next Mr. Dash, listening. Mr. Dash: "Have you ever typed any telephone logs? Do you know what a telephone log is?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, telephone conversations." Mr. Dash: "Is this what you are referring to now?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, this is not." Mr. Dash: "And this was just a Q and A type of memo?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Dash: "Now, did you type it on any particular type of stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." Mr. Dash: "Did Mr. Liddy dictate these to you?" Mrs. Harmony: "These were tapes that I took off." Mr. Dash: "Now, who gave them to you?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Liddy called me into his office and asked me to go in there." Mr. Dash: "Were there any general intelligence memos that Mr. Liddy gave you?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, the ones that he dictated. I mentioned that there were two that I recognized that had come from Senator McGovern's headquarters." Mr. Dash: "How would they be characterized? What was the manner of beginning of the memo? Do you know?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I don't recall." Mr. Dash: "Do you recall such terms as 'reliable source,' or...?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Dash: "Now, you did refer to the fact that you did type telephone logs, telephone conversations?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Mr. Dash: "How often did that occur?" Mrs. Harmony: "I think I may have done eight of them." Mr. Dash: "And you did recognize them as a record of telephone conversations?" Mrs. Harmony: "They were telephone conversations, yes, sir." Mr. Dash: "In what form did you get them in the first place?" Mr. Harmony: "Mr. Liddy dictated them to me." Mr, Dash: "Did you recognize any names, without giving us any content of those logs? Did you recognize any names that appeared in those telephone conversations?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes. There were two names." Harmony briefly speaks to her lawyer, Thomas Quinn, off-mic. "Yes, I did recognize names."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "Could you just give the names to the committee that you did recognize?" Counsel for Sally Harmony, Thomas Quinn interjects: "Mr. Dash, I wonder if we are not getting rather dangerously close to a violation of 18 U.S.C. 2515, where it would be a violation for a witness to disclose any of the content of overheard or wiretapped conversations." Mr. Dash: "I am specifically addressing my question not to content but to identifying any names at all. So restrict the question to that." Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Mrs. Harmony: "The name of Spencer Oliver and another name given as Maxie." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever receive any telephone logs from Mr. McCord? Do you know Mr. McCord?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I have met Mr. McCord." Mr. Dash: "James McCord. How did you know Mr. McCord?" Mrs. Harmony: "He was the security officer for the committee." Mr. Dash: "Did he ever come to you with any memos or telephone logs for you to type?" Mrs. Harmony: "On one occasion, he asked me, stopped at my desk— Mr. Liddy wasn't in — and asked me for an envelope, put a piece of paper in it, and put it on Mr. Liddy's desk. On another occasion, he did give a folded paper to me, which I looked at and recognized as being the telephone conversations that I had done before, that Mr. Liddy had dictated." Mr. Dash: "Did you type these telephone logs on any particular stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, Mr. Liddy had printed a stationery with the name 'Gemstone' across the top of it. I don't recall, sir, that all of these logs were typed on that particular stationery. I think probably." Mr. Dash: "Did you have any directions as to how you were to use this stationery? When were you to use the so-called 'Gemstone' stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "I used it for the telephone conversations that I typed." Mr. Dash: "For the telephone conversations?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Dash: "I would like to show you two pieces of stationery." Mr. Dash provides instructions to an unidentified adult Caucasian male staffer: "Will you first take them to the recorder to have them marked for identification, and then will you take them to Mrs. Harmony to look at?" Middle-aged adult Caucasian man marks the evidence; adult Caucasian female stenographer seated next to him. Quinn confers with Harmony. Staffer placing stationary on table for Harmony and Quinn to see. Senate Committee members seated: Senators Sam Ervin, Howard Baker, Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Joseph Montoya (D-NM), Herman Talmadge (D-GA), Edward Gurney (D-FL), Lowell P. Weicker Jr. (R-CT), Majority Counsel Samuel Dash, and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian male and female photographers in FG. Mr. Dash: "Mrs. Harmony, do you recognize the stationery as that which had been delivered to you?" Mrs. Harmony: "I recognize the way it is set up, yes, sir."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "Is that the stationery you used?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Mr. Dash, I didn't think the stationery was white. It might have been." Mr. Dash: "Did you receive the delivery of the Gemstone stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I did." Mr. Dash: "And when was that?" Mrs. Harmony: "I cannot recall specifically when it was delivered." Mr. Dash: "Now, did the stationery have a kind of printing on it that that stationary has?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir, I think it did although this at the bottom I don't remember...the warning. It may have been there. It may not have been there." Mr. Dash: "Who was the printer who printed the Gemstone stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Post." Mr. Dash: "And do you know at whose direction?" Mrs. Harmony: "I do not know." Mr. Dash: "And Mr. Post has submitted under subpoena these copies of stationery printed under Mr. Liddy's orders and delivered to you?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Mr. Dash: "And that you recognize as the stationery that Mr. Post printed?" Mrs. Harmony: "This is the set up of it. I thought it was colored stationery. I probably am wrong." Mr. Dash: "Where it says sources, what was typed on the stationery where it says source?" Mrs. Harmony: "Where it says source, there were three source names that I recall: Ruby 1, Ruby 2, and Crystal." Mr. Dash: "Did you know what they referred to?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I did not." Mr. Dash: "Was there any particular source used more frequently than another?" Mrs. Harmony: "Ruby 1 and Ruby 2, I think." Mr. Dash: "More so?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Dash: "More so?" Mrs. Harmony: "No rhyme or reason as to when one was used." Mr. Dash: "Now, after you typed either the telephone logs on such stationery or any of the memorandums or intelligence memorandums you have testified to, to whom did you give these memorandums or telephone logs?" Mrs. Harmony: "I returned them to Mr. Liddy." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever type any memorandum for either Mr. Magruder or Mr. Mitchell?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I did not." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever deliver any of this for Mr. Magruder or Mr. Mitchell?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever see any photographs in Mr. Liddy's office of documents from the Democratic National Committee?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir, I did." Mr. Dash: "Could you characterize very briefly what the documents were, what they looked like?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, they were 8-by-10 glossies." Mr. Dash: "Did they have a letterhead on them or anything?" Mrs. Harmony: "There was a stack of photographs. I mentioned the number of 20 or 25, I can't be definite how many were there. The only one that I recognize that I can put anything with was one signed by Larry O'Brien. It was a typed letter."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "Was there anything unusual about the photograph that you can remember?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Yes, sir, they were being held by fingers." Mr. Dash: "Fingers?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes. I guess at this point they would have been fingers of rubber gloves." Mr. Dash: "Had you ever typed a budget for Mr. Liddy?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir, I did." Mr. Dash: "What was the nature of the budget?" Mrs. Harmony: "I can't remember any given item on that. I think now it was electronic equipment, but I cannot give you any specific item." Mr. Dash: "Do you recall about what time during your employment with Mr. Liddy that occurred?" Mrs. Harmony: "I would say sometime around the middle of May, but I couldn't be definite." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever prepare a pass for McGovern headquarters for Mr. Liddy?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Mr. Dash: "How did that come about? How did you do it?" Mrs. Harmony: "The day of June 16th, late in the afternoon, Mr. Liddy was looking for some stationery which he couldn't find. We xeroxed and made a sample of McGovern letterhead which I dictated in a memo to be typed on it." Mr. Dash: "Did you have a copy of McGovern stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, I did not have one and he did not have one, this is the reason a facsimile was made." Mr. Dash: "Simulated McGovern stationery?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Dash: "And what was the nature of the message on it?" Mrs. Harmony: "The nature of the message was: 'To whom it may concern,' and it was, 'This will authorize the bearer to enter premises' for some such reason." Mr. Dash: "Did it have a signature attached to it?" Mrs. Harmony: "I was asked to put the initials G.H./j.p. as the secretary would type something." Mr. Dash: "What about the signature for pass for the letter?" Mrs. Harmony: "The signature was signed Gary Hart with the initials like a secretary had sign it." Mr. Dash: "Who signed that?" Mrs. Harmony: "I did." Mr. Dash: "What happened to that pass, do you know?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I was informed the following week that Mr. Hunt had it in his possession." Mr. Dash: "Did Mr. Liddy ever hear from Mr. Bernard Barker, to your knowledge?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Mr. Dash: "Could you state the circumstances of that?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Liddy — actually I want to clarify something — Mr. Liddy worked in his office most of the time with the door closed. Frequently took his own phone calls, practically all of the time. I have had occasion to answer the phone when Mr. Barker had been calling." Mr. Dash: "Now, did Mr. Liddy, to your knowledge, ever see Mr. Mitchell?" Mrs. Harmony: "He has, on occasion, told me he was going to Mr. Mitchell's office. I am not aware that Mr. Mitchell ever visited Mr. Liddy in our office, no."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "After the so-called break-in of the Watergate on June 17th, what, if anything, happened to your records and notepads that you kept for Mr. Liddy?" Secretary G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "The only thing was my shorthand notebooks — the day that Mr. Liddy was interviewed by the FBI and left the committee — I shredded my shorthand notebooks." Mr. Dash: "At whose instructions?" Mrs. Harmony: "At Mr. Liddy's instructions." Mr. Dash: "Did you receive any other instructions from Mr. Liddy concerning records or documents?" Mrs. Harmony: "No. On the day he left the committee I did help him get his things together when he was leaving and check through the files. He did ask me to check through the files and if I found anything with his handwriting on it would I please destroy that." Mr. Dash: "Did you ever talk with Mr. Jeb Magruder in March of '73?" Mrs. Harmony: "In March of '73?" Mr. Dash: "Yes. In 1973." Mrs. Harmony: "Well, I am sure I have. I worked with Mr. Magruder when I was Mr. Marriott's secretary to the Inaugural Committee." Mr. Dash: "During any conversation that you had with Mr. Magruder in March of 1973, did he ever talk to you about any conversation he had with Mr. Mitchell?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I think it was probably later than March, it was after Mr. Magruder went to the Commerce Department to work. I was called by Mr. Magruder, or he had talked to his secretary, who was still there, who transferred the call. Mr. Magruder indicated to me he had talked with Mr. Mitchell and assured Mr. Mitchell --- this was after he knew I was going to talk with the Hill people." Mr. Dash: "Will you repeat that, please?" Mrs. Harmony: "This was after Mr. Magruder and I had learned I was going to talk with the Hill investigators. He said I have indicated to Mr. Mitchell that he has no reason to be concerned about any of your testimony." Mr. Dash: "Did Mr. Magruder indicate that Mr. Mitchell was concerned about what your testimony might be?" Mrs. Harmony: "I don't know."Mr. Dash: "Now, did you receive a bill for the Gemstone stationary that was ordered and delivered to the office?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir, I did." Mr. Dash: "What did you do with that bill, or bills?" Mrs. Harmony: "That invoice came after Mr. Liddy had left the committee and I took it to Mr. Magruder's office. I asked Mr. Magruder if he would authorize payment for it. He had a small piece of paper and he, in his own handwriting, was authorizing payment to H. A. Post Associates for a certain amount of money, signed it Jeb S. Magruder." Mr. Dash: "What happened to that bill?" Mrs. Harmony: "The bill, I shredded it."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "Now, Mr. Odle, I think has testified the administrator ordinarily authorizes the payment of bills. Why did you take it to Mr. Magruder instead of Mr. Odle?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Because it referred to the Gemstone bill and I thought Mr. Magruder would be more aware of it than Mr. Odle." Mr. Dash: "Now, I have no further questions of this witness, Mr. Chairman, but would the Gemstone stationery now be entered in evidence for this committee's records?" U.S. Senator and Committee Chairman Sam Ervin (D-NC): "The Gemstone stationery, the blank Gemstone stationery identified by the witness, will now be marked with the proper number as an exhibit and received as such." Mr. Dash: "I have no further questions." Sen. Ervin: "Mr. Thompson." Senate Committee members seated: Senators Sam Ervin, Howard Baker, Edward Gurney (D-FL), Lowell P. Weicker Jr. (R-CT), Majority Counsel Samuel Dash, and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian male photographers in FG.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Minority Counsel Fred Thompson: "Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mrs. Harmony, I would like to ask you some questions which may lay some groundwork for further questioning by members of the committee, a little more detail about the different categories of intelligence material that you typed. Now, as I understand it, you typed first of all, some tapes. Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Yes, sir." Mr. Thompson: "Secondly, you typed some general intelligence information, and thirdly, you typed some information which evidently came from the illegal bugging of telephone conversations. Is that correct?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir, I did type telephone conversations." Mr. Thompson: "Let me go over this briefly and lead you. You have been interviewed three times by the staff of this committee and if I am incorrect, you correct me. As I understand it, going back to the first category, the tapes you typed, these were tapes of telephone conversations which evidently were consented to, the individuals involved knew that they were being taped. Is that correct?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Thompson, on the second one that I mentioned, I do not know whether the individual would know he was being taped or not." Mr. Thompson: "Were there two different tapes?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "Were these tapes that you physically had in your possession, and you listened to the tapes, and typed from the tapes?" Mrs. Harmony: "That's right." Mr. Thompson: "Were these tapes given to you by Mr. Liddy? Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "You mentioned one tape, while you were still on the eighth floor, you remember the words 'Joe's Stone Crab'? Do you know whether or not that perhaps might be a restaurant of some type?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, I am aware that it is." Mr. Thompson: "Where is this restaurant located?" Mrs. Harmony: "It's in Miami." Mr. Thompson: "All right, what about the second tape that you typed from, what do you remember about that, how did it begin, for example?" Mrs. Harmony: "It began with the words 'Good morning. How are you today, Howard?'" Mr. Thompson: "'Good morning. How are you today, Howard?'" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "Was it a question and answer type...?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson [continuing]: "...situation?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, it was." Mr. Thompson: "All right, do you have any idea where the individual talking to Howard, whoever Howard was, was at that time?" Mrs. Harmony: "The impression that I got from typing it, after I typed it, was that it was a conversation in Miami, or in Florida." Mr. Thompson: "Was there some mention of Mr. O'Brien?" Mrs. Harmony: "There was." Mr. Thompson: "They had seen him down there, or something like that?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, and I think that's how I got my impression." Mr. Thompson: "On these two tapes that you are talking about, from what you can tell, were conversations wherein one of the individuals in the conversation was located in Miami? That was your impression?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Minority Counsel Fred Thompson: "Leading to the second category, the general intelligence information, I believe you typed 10 to 15 memoranda of this type, is that correct?" Secretary G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Mr. Thompson, I don't know. The content of three I can remember. I am sure there were more than that, but I would not guess." Mr. Thompson: "Do you remember the time span that these general intelligence information memoranda covered? When did you do your first one? When did you do your last one?" Mrs. Harmony: "Actually, I would categorize the first memo as a general intelligence memo. So I would say from when I was on the eighth floor and began my work with Mr. Liddy." Mr. Thompson: "You started to work March 13, 1972, I believe?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "You worked then until July of 1972, is that correct?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I worked for the finance committee." Mr. Thompson: "This second category I am referring to, do you remember whether or not there were any indications, notations on the paper that you used, or whether or not you typed Ruby 1, Ruby 2, Crystal, those words?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, yes, I did." Mr. Thompson: "All right. Do you know what those words had reference to or who they had reference to?" Mrs. Harmony: "I did not know who they had reference to." Mr. Thompson: "It is your understanding these were not derived from wiretaps or bugging telephones?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir." Mr. Thompson: "This consisted of information from certain individuals?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "These were dictated to you by Mr. Liddy?" Mrs. Harmony: "That's right, sir." Mr. Thompson: "And the third category, I believe you say you remember perhaps typing eight memoranda of what you consider to be telephone bugs?" Mrs. Harmony: "Telephone conversations, yes." Mr. Thompson: "Results of telephone taps or bugs. Now, were these all dictated to you by Mr. Liddy, also?" Mrs. Harmony: "All but the last two were dictated to me by Mr. Liddy." Mr. Thompson: "Last two. Were those the two that Mr. McCord gave you directly?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Mr. Thompson: "How did he present them to you, if you recall?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. McCord, the first one he gave me, put in an envelope and put on Mr. Liddy's desk. I was not aware of what was in it. The second one he didn't ask me for an envelope, he just handed me the folded sheet of paper." Mr. Thompson: "And the first one, when did you become aware of what was in it?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Liddy gave it back to me and asked me to type it." Mr. Thompson: "And you recognized the envelope as the one McCord had...?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, no, that I can't make as a factual statement. It was out of the envelope but I just assumed it was what Mr. McCord had given..." Mr. Thompson injects: "You assumed it was the same material." Mrs. Harmony: "...since he had given me one after that." Mr. Thompson: "You believe there was eight of these memoranda?" Mrs. Harmony: "That's a guess."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Minority Counsel Fred Thompson: "When did you use the Gemstone stationery, the printed Gemstone stationery? How many times did you use that?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Perhaps two or three, Mr. Thompson. I can't be definite on that." Mr. Thompson: "The printed Gemstone stationery was used only on the illegal or the telephone bug results?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, as I recall." Mr. Thompson: "Going back again to the second category of the general intelligence information type, for a while there I believe you used plain bond paper to type those memoranda?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "Did you for a time type the word 'Gemstone' across the top of it?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "You had Ruby 1 and Ruby 2 references and so forth?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "As far as the printing is concerned, that was only used for the telephone bug material. Let me ask you just another question or two, Mrs. Harmony. You said Mr. Magruder contacted you in March of 1973. Actually, it was after your first interview with the committee staff, was it not? He contacted you on one occasion after?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Thompson, as I recall, it probably was after I first talked to two of the people." Mr. Thompson: "That was on March 31st, 1973?" Mrs. Harmony: "Right." Mr. Thompson: "Did you discuss with Mr. Magruder the fact that you had talked with the committee staff?" Mrs. Harmony: "I don't know whether I discussed it with him or not. He was aware that I had talked to them." Mr. Thompson: "Do you remember how the subject of Mr. Mitchell was first broached?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I don't know how it was first broached." Mr. Thompson: "Had you had any previous conversations with Mr. Magruder from June 17, 1972, or say, July of '72, when you left the committee, up until this particular time?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, I had talked with Mr. Magruder previous to that." Mr. Thompson: "What'd you talk about?" Mrs. Harmony: "Well, at one time, I was out of a job, so I was sent to Mr. Magruder to find another job with the committee."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Minority Counsel Fred Thompson: "Did you talk about the Watergate affair during this period of time?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "With Mr. Magruder?" Mr. Thompson: "Yes." Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, it was discussed very..." Mr. Thompson: "Did you discuss with him whether or not certain other individuals were possibly involved there at the Committee to Re-Elect?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir." Mr. Thompson: "You did not discuss those?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." Mr. Thompson: "Was Mr. Mitchell's name first mentioned in this conversation that you had reference to after March 31st?" Mrs. Harmony: "As near as I can recall, yes." Mr. Thompson: "And do you recall that he said Mr. Mitchell would not have anything to worry about from your testimony, or something to that effect?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "Do you know how Mr. Magruder knew that Mr. Mitchell would not have anything to worry about from your testimony, if you had not discussed it with him?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, other than the fact that I did know absolutely nothing to implicate Mr. Mitchell." Mr. Thompson: "But you had not told Mr. Magruder that you knew nothing, had you?" Mrs. Harmony: "I said you can assure Mr. Mitchell that there is no way that I am aware that I can implicate him in anyway." Mr. Thompson: "But previous to that, he had told you that he had told Mr. Mitchell that he had had nothing to worry about?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes. That's right." Mr. Thompson: "But you had not previously told Mr. Magruder that Mr. Mitchell, in fact, did not in fact have anything to worry about?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." Mr. Thompson: "This was just a guess on his part, in other words?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Mr. Thompson: "I believe that is all, Mr. Chairman. Thank you."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Senate Committee members seated: U.S. Senators Sam Ervin (D-NC), Howard Baker (R-TN), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Joseph Montoya (D-NM), Herman Talmadge (D-GA), Edward Gurney (R-FL), Majority Counsel Samuel Dash, and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian male photographers in FG. Chairman Ervin waives and transfers to Senator Inouye. Sen. Inouye: "Mrs. Harmony, were you aware that you were typing or recording information which was obtained illegally?" Secretary for G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "No, sir. They were telephone conversations to me. I did not know the source of them at all." Sen. Inouye: "You were not aware that these were conversations resulting from bugs?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I did not." Sen. Inouye: "When did you first learn that these were bugged conversations?" Mrs. Harmony: "When I read the newspaper on June 18th." Sen. Inouye: "Now, you have told this committee about some of the contents of the memos of the tapes. One about goods and services involved in the Miami Democratic Convention, another a letter signed by Larry O'Brien. Did you find any information relating to any activity to endanger the President of the United States or to endanger the United States Government itself?" Mrs. Harmony: "Senator, not that I can recall, no." Sen. Inouye: "Do you recall any information in there that related to any conspiracy with foreign governments?" Mrs. Harmony: "Not that I can recall, no, Senator." Sen. Inouye: "In other words, in your mind, none of the information related to national security?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir. As nearly as I can recall, it would not have." Sen. Inouye: "It was all political." Mrs. Harmony: "As I recall, it probably was, yes." Sen. Inouye: "I would like to give you an opportunity, Mrs. Harmony, to respond to certain statements that have been made against you. This according to an article which appeared in one of our papers. It says here that Mrs. Evelyn Hyde said that Liddy's secretary, Sally Harmony, had implied that as a 'reward' for her testimony, she was given a trip to Florida prior to the Republican National Convention in Miami. In one of the depositions, Arden Chambers, who is still the secretary of the Finance Committee To Re-Elect the President, testified that Mrs. Harmony said at a party in Mrs. Hyde's home last July 16 something to the effect, 'For Gordon, I perjured myself.' Would you like to comment, ma'am?"
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Senate Committee members seated: U.S. Senators Sam Ervin (D-NC), Howard Baker (R-TN), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Joseph Montoya (D-NM), Herman Talmadge (D-GA), and Majority Counsel Samuel Dash; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian male photographers and members of the press in FG. Mr. Dash: "Senator Inouye, while the witness is conferring, could we have identified for the record the specific item you are reading from?" Sen. Inouye: "This is an article by John Hanrahan appearing in the Washington Post, entitled 'Perjury Laid to Witness on Watergate.' I am sorry I don't have the date here. It appeared on Saturday, June the 2nd." Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Senator, in response to the one statement that was attributed to Mr. Chambers--" Sen. Inouye: "Yes." Mrs. Harmony: "I think at that time, I had not appeared before the grand jury. I have not read her deposition. I have only glanced at the newspaper article. I can't think that I would use the word 'perjure' at all. And I feel that I did not make the statement." Sen. Inouye: "You didn't say something to the effect 'For Gordon, I lied,' something to that effect?" Mrs. Harmony: "I don't believe I had been to the grand jury, no." Sen. Inouye: "The article goes further to state: Mrs. Hyde said 'Mrs. Harmony also said in regard to the trip, I need it, they owe it to me.' Mrs. Hyde said 'Mrs. Harmony did not know who they were and we didn't ask her.' She said, 'Mrs. Harmony did not, to my knowledge, have any job assignment for the committee at the convention.'" Mrs. Harmony: "Senator, I can preface this by saying at the time I had taken another position working for the Lawyers for the Reelection and Voter Bloc. I took that on a 2-week trial basis, thinking that this was not the work I would like to do. At the time I was asked to go to Florida to the convention, it was on short notice. I was not particularly happy with my job and thought I was not probably doing a terribly good job for Mr. Piliero. I was in and out of the office quite a lot at that time. So I was a logical one to go ahead of the others. Mr. LaRue asked me to go down and do some work on the domestic council staff prior to the convention." Sen. Inouye: "So you were in Miami on some party work?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI): "It was not a reward for your testimony?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "No, sir, and I have never felt anyone owed me anything." Sen Inouye: "You have testified that you have no contact with Mr. Mitchell. Is that correct?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I have had no contact with Mr. Mitchell." Sen. Inouye: "In your discussions with Mr. Liddy, did you discuss the Attorney General?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I do not recall any discussions that he would have had with me concerning the Attorney General, no." Sen. Inouye: "Can you identify Ruby 1 and Ruby 2?" Mrs. Harmony: "As individuals, no. I would have no idea who they were." Chief Counsel Samuel Dash: "Mrs. Harmony, I think if you will bring the microphone a little closer to you, some of the others in the room may hear you." Senate Committee members seated: Senators Sam Ervin (D-NC), Howard Baker (R-TN), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Joseph Montoya (D-NM), Herman Talmadge (D-GA), Majority Counsel Samuel Dash, and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian mostly male photographers and members of the press in FG.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Senate Committee members seated: U.S. Senators Sam Ervin (D-NC), Howard Baker (R-TN), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Joseph Montoya (D-NM), Herman Talmadge (D-GA), Edward Gurney (R-FL), Majority Counsel Samuel Dash, and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson; adult Caucasian male Senate staffers in BG, adult Caucasian mostly male photographers and members of the press in FG. Chairman Ervin recognizes Senator Baker, who yields his time to Senator Gurney." Sen. Gurney: "Who interviewed you, Mrs. Harmony, when you were hired at the Committee To Re-Elect the President?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "I was interviewed by the Personnel Director, Mrs. Santarelli, originally. She took me to Mr. Liddy. I talked with him. Then I went back for another screening through Mr. Odle." Sen. Gurney: "I understand that at the time you were hired, there was mention made of being involved in clandestine activities. Is that correct?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Sen. Gurney: "Who brought up that subject?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Liddy." Sen. Gurney: "And what did he say?" Mrs. Harmony: "He said that — I can't give you a quote — that he might be involved in clandestine activities." Sen. Gurney: "Did he describe the clandestine activities to you?" Mrs. Harmony: "He did not." Sen. Gurney: "What did you think he might have meant by that?" Mrs. Harmony: "Well, to me 'clandestine' does not mean illegal, and I can keep a secret." Sen. Gurney: "Did he indicate to you that you would be a partner in these clandestine activities?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, he didn't indicate anything like that." Sen. Gurney: "You mentioned that Mr. Liddy, I think, had talked to Mr. Hunt. Was that when Mr. Hunt came to Mr. Liddy's office?" Mrs. Harmony: "No. I am not aware that Mr. Hunt ever came to Mr. Liddy's office. I had the opportunity to see Mr. Hunt twice. Mainly it was through phone conversations." Sen. Gurney: "Do you recall what they discussed?" Mrs. Harmony: "I would have no idea, sir." Sen. Gurney: "Do you remember any other people who may have visited Mr. Liddy's office, and if you do, who were they?" Mrs. Harmony: "The only other people that I am aware of that might have been in Mr. Liddy's office were the State Finance Chairmen or treasurers, who would come in. Actually, our job was to..." Sen. Gurney interjects: "And who was that?" Mrs. Harmony: "The State finance chairmen or treasurers from the individual states. Our job was to set up and register, with the General Accounting Office, all of the State Finance Committees, make sure that the were properly chartered and authorized to take in money and disburse funds."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
U.S. Senator Edward Gurney (R-FL): "Since we are on the subject of moneys, do you recall any occasion that Mr. Liddy received any moneys from anyone?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Now are you speaking of payment to Mr. Liddy, Senator Gurney?" Sen. Gurney: "That's right. Payment, cash, anything in the form of moneys." Mrs. Harmony: "That was given to Mr. Liddy? No, I am not aware of ever having seen him given any money." Sen. Gurney: "Were you aware of any occasions when he might have given money to anybody else?" Mrs. Harmony: "I am not, only on the occasion of when I gave the sealed envelope to Mr. Hunt that Mr. Sloan had given to me." Sen. Gurney: "And you think there was money in that envelope?" Mrs. Harmony: "That would be my assumption, sir." Sen. Gurney: "Do you have any idea how much and what for?" Mrs. Harmony: "I would have no idea." Sen. Gurney: "No one ever discussed it with you?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." Sen. Gurney: "You did mention that Mr. Liddy received many of his phone calls himself." Mrs. Harmony: "Yes." Sen. Gurney: "Do you recall who might have called him that you knew about?" Mrs. Harmony: "I have taken messages and asked him to return calls. I remember he did this." Sen. Gurney: "Do you recall who they were from?" Mrs. Harmony: "We're speaking of just general day-to-day?" Sen. Gurney: "That's right." Mrs. Harmony: "He talked to a number of people, I think, at the White House, occasionally." Sen. Gurney: "Who were they?" Mrs. Harmony: "Mr. Dean, Mr. Krogh, Mr. Strachan. He talked to Mr. Barker — I think Mr. Roger Barker is at the IRS. He had conversations with a couple of people down at the General Accounting Office on occasion." Sen. Gurney: "Let's talk about the White House for a moment. Do you know what he talked about with people in the White House?" Mrs. Harmony: "Senator Gurney, I would have no idea." Sen. Gurney: "He never told you of these conversations?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." Sen. Gurney: "Who did he talk to most at the White House?" Mrs. Harmony: "I would have no way of knowing that. Let me say, when Mr. Liddy worked, he worked with his door closed, he placed his own calls, and most of the time took his own incoming calls." Sen. Gurney: "Would you have any recollection that he talked to one person more than another?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, I wouldn't." Sen. Gurney: "These memorandums that you typed and referred to Ruby 1, and Ruby 2, and Crystal, these must have provoked your curiosity, with Ruby 1, Ruby 2, and then Crystal?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir." Sen. Gurney: "They did not?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." [laughter]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
U.S. Senator Edward Gurney (R-FL): "Where do you think this information was coming from, from Ruby 1?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "I put no rhyme or reason with who, you know, what information was coming from whom." Sen. Gurney: "Was the information about finances?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, it would have been the intelligence information, and like I say, I cannot tell you." Sen. Gurney: "Can you give us some vague notion of what the intelligence information was?" Mrs. Harmony confers with her lawyer, Thomas Quinn. Mrs. Harmony: "I can give you three reports that I have typed. This is all I can remember the content of. Do you want the content of them as nearly as I can recall?" Sen. Gurney: "Yes. May I point out, I am not talking about the legal wiretaps. I am talking about the other things that were legal." Mrs. Harmony: "I do recall doing the one that was on --- the subject it was Robin Cranston. And that dealt with some sort of a drug and a girl in a hospital. This is about all I can tell you." Senator Gurney: "Do you recall anything that had to do with political activity?" Mrs. Harmony: "No. Another one I received from McGovern headquarters was just a report on the fact that the employees were receiving a pay cut or asked to go on a volunteer basis. And this is the extent of that memo." Sen. Gurney: "Do you recall any of these that may have originated from other political campaigns other than the one McGovern that you identified?" Mrs. Harmony: "Senator, I am aware that there was someone at one time in the Muskie headquarters." Sen. Gurney: "And what intelligence was received from that individual?" Mrs. Harmony: "I don't know." Sen. Gurney: "But at least one of the memos..." Mrs. Harmony interjects: "I don't know that it was a memo. I'm just aware there was somebody there. I would have assumed that I had something from that. The reason I am aware of it was that one time Mr. Liddy was just talking and he said, 'I'm taking someone from the Muskie headquarters and moving him to McGovern's.'" Laughter. Sen. Gurney: "But you do not know whether that was..." Mrs. Harmony: "As to whether it was one person, two people, I don't know." Sen. Gurney: "And you do not know whether it was Ruby 1, 2, or Crystal?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, I don't." [laughter] U.S. Senator Howard Baker (R-TN) whispers to Minority Counsel Fred Thompson in BG.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
U.S. Senator Edward Gurney (R-FL): "This facsimile that you manufactured, how did that come about? Mr. Liddy came into your office and said, 'I would like to have something made up,' or could you give us a narrative account of that?" Secretary for G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "Yes, sir, I can. He had looked through a file and could find no McGovern stationary. I had an envelope that I had saved in my desk drawer. Secretary Stans had been solicited from the McGovern headquarters for a contribution. That was given to Mr. Liddy if there were any ramifications." Sen. Gurney: "Did he make the contribution? Do you recall?" Mrs. Harmony: "I don't believe he did. I think we had the entire contents. Mr. Liddy and I — he asked me to go to the Xerox room with him. We took this envelope and used it on the Xerox machine in order to make the facsimile of the McGovern letterhead." Sen. Gurney: "Did he come to you and say, 'Sally, I need a pass to the office.'" Mrs. Harmony: "He needed the envelope. No, I was in his office, he was looking for the stationery, he could not find it. He said, 'Do you still have the envelope?' I said yes. He said, 'Come on back to the Xerox room.' So we went back and came up with the Xeroxed stationery." Sen. Gurney: "Did he give you any indication of why he needed it or what he was going to use it for?" Mrs. Harmony: "After he dictated the memo to me, no, I had no idea. It was a real puzzle to me until I read, I think about three weeks ago, Mr. McCord made this statement in the paper that they had intended to go into McGovern headquarters that weekend, also." Sen. Gurney: "You did not ask Mr. Liddy, who's going to use this?" Mrs. Harmony: "No." Sen. Gurney: "Did you ever make any copies of these memos or telephone logs that you typed?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, Senator Gurney, I did not." Sen. Gurney: "After you typed them, you turned them over to Mr. Liddy?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Sen. Gurney: "Do you know whether he kept a file in his office of these?" Mrs. Harmony: "Not that I am aware of." Sen. Gurney: "You never saw him file any of these papers?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, I never did see him file any." Sen. Gurney: "Did he ever tell you what he did with them?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, he did not." Sen. Gurney: "I think that is all, Mr. Chairman." U.S. Senator Howard Baker and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson listening in BG. Mrs. Harmony takes a drink of water.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973 - Sally Harmony Testimony
Middle-aged adult Caucasian male staffer getting up from his seat and walking over to speak to Majority Counsel Samuel Dash; Senate Committee members listening to proceedings in FG: U.S. Senators Edward Gurney (R-FL), Howard Baker (R-TN), Sam Ervin (D-NC), and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson. Chairman Ervin recognizes Senator Talmadge. Senator Herman Talmadge (D-GA): "Mrs. Harmony, when did your employment with the Committee To Re-Elect the President terminate?" Secretary to G. Gordon Liddy, Sally Harmony: "On November the 20th, Senator Talmadge." Sen. Talmadge: "1972?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Sen. Talmadge: "Where do you now work?" Mrs. Harmony: "Well, I am still working at the Inaugural Committee." Sen. Talmadge: "The next one or the last one?" Mrs. Harmony: "Well, they keep asking me if I'm going to be there 4 more years." Laughter. Sen. Talmadge: "What do your duties consist of?" Mrs. Harmony: "Answering last minute mail, note requests for tickets, requests for refunds, the ball favors that people didn't get, that sort of thing. Actually, I think one of the main reasons I'm down there, we would like to get the final report finished. I am trying to put the individual group file reports in good order for Mr. Marriott. We still have two bookkeepers who are working there and I think they would like me to stay there as long as they are working there." Sen. Talmadge: "What is your salary there?" Mrs. Harmony: "$12,500." Sen. Talmadge: "Did you ever have any contacts while you were working for Mr. Liddy by people that were identified only by their first name?" Mrs. Harmony: "Senator, not that I'm aware." Sen. Talmadge: "Neither personally or by telephone or otherwise?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, on occasion when Mr. Barker has called he might have said this is Bernie rather than this is Mr. Barker or Mr. Bernie Barker." Sen. Talmadge: "You knew who those were." Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Sen. Talmadge: "You had no contacts with people you did not identify other than by their first names?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir, not that I am aware of." Sen. Talmadge: "To whom did Mr. Liddy confer most frequently?" Mrs. Harmony: "Senator, I don't quite know what you mean by the question." Sen. Talmadge: "Did he have a lot of business telephone conversations? If so, who did he have most conversations with, most visits with?" Mrs. Harmony: "He very infrequently had visitors in his office and I was sitting in a position that I might not have been aware if somebody was in his office. I have on occasion tapped on the door and got in and not realized someone was in there." Sen. Talmadge: "When his telephone would ring would you answer it first or would he answer it? What was the mechanism?" Mrs. Harmony: "We had two outside lines and two that came through the switchboard. He always answered the one that came through the switchboard. He would frequently answer the outside line himself." Sen. Talmadge: "You were his personal secretary, weren't you?" Mrs. Harmony: "Yes, sir." Sen. Talmadge: "You don't know who he conferred with the most?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir." Sen. Talmadge: "Neither personally nor by telephone?" Mrs. Harmony: "No, sir." Sen. Talmadge: "Who were Mr. Liddy's superiors in the Committee To Re-Elect the President and also the Finance Committee To Re-Elect the President?" Mrs. Harmony: "For the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, he would have reported to Mr. Magruder, I think, as general counsel and Mr. Mitchell. At the Finance Committee he reported to Secretary Stans."