Impeachment Hearings: House Judiciary Committee, July 29, 1974 (1/2)
Impeachment Hearings: House Judiciary Committee, July 29, 1974 (1/2)
[00.22.51] Mr. DENNIS. Would the gentleman yield ? Mr. SEIBERLING. Yes, I will yield. Mr. DENNIS. Since you offer "all unlawful activity of all employees of the executive branch," I assume under your amendment if a clerk steals $100 in the post office in Indianapolis or someplace. like, that, that that, is included. Mr. SEIBERLING. Well, we have a record before us, Mr. Dennis, that, it seems to me, is pretty clear, what. employees we are talking about, and it seems to me that that is sufficient. Mr. SARBANES. Would the gentleman yield? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Mr. SARBANES. I would like to suggest that the language concerning "other unlawful activities" does not need any further limitation since it refers back to the language at the beginning of subparagraph 4) which refers to failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavored to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive judicial and legislative entities, concerning--and then you have two concerning clauses, one, the unlawful lawful entry, and the other one would be. concerning other unlawful activity but that would relate back to the activities of the close subordinates and would be consistent with the theory of this paragraph as understand it as advanced by the gentleman from Illinois. Mr. McCLORY. If the gentleman from Ohio will yield, I would say that that is correct. And I think that, the, language would be confusing if we, accepted the, additional language offered by the gentleman from Ohio. Mr. SEIBERLING. Well, if that is the interpretation in the record, I think that does clarify matters, but the mere words standing alone, "other unlawful activities" I do not think are sufficiently clear. Well--- Mr. McCLORY. If the gentleman would yield further, the "other unlawful activities- refers to the close subordinates and I think, those are the only ones we want to direct our attention to. Mr. SEIBERLING. All right. Well, 1 will ask unanimous consent to Withdraw my perfecting Mr. McCLORY Without objection. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the amendment is withdrawn Mr. WIGGINS. Would the gentleman--- The CHAIRMAN. The question is still on the, amendment of the, gentleman from California. All those in favor of the amendment please signify by saying aye. [Chorus of "ayes."] The CHAIRMAN. All those opposed. [Chorus of "noes.] The CHAIRMAN. The noes appear to have it. Mr. SANDMAN. Mr. CHAIRMAN. the yeas and nays. The CHAIRMAN. Call of the yeas and nays is demanded and the clerk will call the roll. All those in favor of it signify please by saying aye. All those Opposed, no. The clerk will call I the roll. The CLERK. Mr. Donohue. Mr. DONOHUE. No. The CLERK. Mr. Brooks. Mr. BROOKS. No. The CLERK. Mr. Kastenmeier. Mr. KASTENMEIER. No. The CLERK. Mr. Edwards. Mr. EDWARDS. No. The CLERK. Mr. Hungate. Mr. HUNGATE. No. The CLERIC. Mr. Conyers. Mr. CONYERS. No. The CLERK. Mr. Eilberg. Mr. EILBERG. No. The CLERK. Mr. Waldie. Mr. WALDIE. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Flowers. Mr. FLOWERS. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Mann. Mr. MANN. NO. The CLERK. Mr. Sarbanes. Mr. SARBANES. No. The CLERK. Mr. Seiberling. Mr. SEIBERLING. No. The CLERK. Mr. Danielson. Mr. DANIELSON. NO. The CLERK. Mr. Drinan. Mr. DRINAN. No. The CLERK. Mr. Rangel. Mr. RANGEL. NO. The CLERK. Ms. Jordan. MS. JORDAN. NO. The CLERK. Mr. Thornton. Mr. THORNTON. No. The CLERK. Holtzman. Ms. HOLTZMAN. No. The CLERK. Mr. Owens. Mr. OWENS. No. The CLERK. Mr. Mezvinsky. Mr. MEZVINSKY. No. The CLERK. Mr. Hutchinson. Mr. HUTCHINSON. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. McClory. Mr. McCLORY. NO. The CLERK. Mr. Smith. Mr. SMITH. Ave. The CLERK. Mr. Sandman. .Mr. SANDMAN. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Railsback. Mr. RAILSBACK. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Wiggins. Mr. WIGGINS. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Dennis. Mr. DENNIS. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Fish. Mr. FISH. No. The CLERK. Mr. Mayne. Mr. MAYNE. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Hogan. Mr. HOGAN. No. The CLERK. Mr. Butler. Mr. BUTLER. R. No. The CLERK. Mr. Cohen. Mr. COHEN. No. The CLERK. Mr. Lott. Mr. LOTT. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Froehlich. Mr. FROEHLICH. . Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Moorhead. Mr. MOORHEAD. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Maraziti. Mr. MARAZITI. Aye. The CLERK. . Mr. Latta. Mr. LATTA. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Rodino. The CHAIRMAN. No. The CLERK. Mr. Chairman! The CHAIRMAN. The clerk will report. The CLERK. Fourteen members have voted aye, 24 have voted no. The CHAIRMAN. And the amendment is not agreed to. Mr. BUTLER. Mr. Chairman? The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Butler. Mr. BUTLER. In order that the membership may understand, I am in the process of preparing an additional amendment which I would rather--rather than draft it in haste, I will prepare. it and submit it at a later time, when we get to this paragraph if that is in order. The CHAIRMAN. The amendments are in order at any time. However in order to give the gentleman the opportunity to draft his amendment the. Chair will proceed with the recognition of members under the 5 minutes which they are entitled to under the substitute amendment . Mr. BUTLER. I thank the chairman. [00.28.50]