Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (1/2
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (1/2
[00.33.52-GURNEY continues to try to discredit DEAN'S testimony about meeting KALMBACH to start the PAYOFFS to the arrested BURGLARS] Senator GURNEY. Well. could that particular meeting you speak of at the Mayflower have occurred some other time? Could it have been a later meeting or an earlier meeting? Mr. DEAN. No, sir. 'To the best of my recollection. this was the first time We ever talked about this matter and these were the circumstances under which -we talked about it. when he flew in from California. He had taken a late flight. he was tired, and we met in the coffee. shop, went to his room, as I have repeated, then had the discussion. Senator GURNEY. Let me just, try to refresh your recollection. Could this meeting have taken place out in front of the Hay-Adams Hotel? Mr. DEAN. In front of the Hay-Adams Hotel? Senator GURNEY. That is right, that you walked over from your office and he walked over from his hotel and met out in front of the Hay-Adams and discussed it there? Mr. DEAN. I have testified to a subsequent occasion when we met, after he had the, money in his possession, as he told me, and I believe he told me he was going to meet with Mr. Ulasewicz at that time. That was in Lafayette Park. I can recall very clearly being in Lafayette Park, because we stood and we each put our foot up on the bench and we were looking back over at the, White House and talking. He had his attachT case with him. I had -walked out of my office and this was some time after this initial me meeting. Senator GURNEY. That couldn't have, been the initial meeting, at least according to your recollection? Mr. DEAN No, sir. [00.35.23-GURNEY returns again to his effort to find some improprieties in DEAN'S use of CAMPAIGN FUNDS for personal expenditures, he is really beating a dead horse] Senator GURNEY. Well, I guess we will just have to wait for Mr. Kalmbach and find out what he remembers. Let's go back a little, bit to the credit cards again, You know, we had a discussion on that and the use of the. $4,850. I asked you why you couldn't use credit cards. Mr. DEAN. And I responded I preferred not to use credit cards. Senator GURNEY. Well, now, the committee, staff 'has brought, to my attention here a list of some of the checks drawn on your account. I wonder if the staff would furnish the witness with copy of these checks. Mr. DEAN. I can barely read the copy I have here, particularly the first one, Senator. Senator GURNEY. Well, I can't read the first one, either, but I really don't think that is important. The second one down Which is legible on my sheet here--is it on yours? Mr. DEAN. Yes, it is. [00.36.33] Senator GURNEY. That is a check as I see dated September 21, 1972. This was very close, of course, to the October taking of the $4,850. Here is a check made out, to the American Express CO. for $908.47. Mr. DEAN. That is correct, Senator GURNEY. Signed John W. Dean. Is this a check drawn on your account? Mr. DEAN. Yes, it is. [00.37.12] Senator GURNEY. Is this in payment of credit card bills? Mr. DEAN. Yes, it is. Senator GURNEY. Then we, go down a little. further on November 13. There is another check drawn to Bankamericard for $250.51. Is this also your check? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator GURNEY. Is this also for credit card bills? Mr. DEAN. Yes, it is. Senator GURNEY. Then going further down, there is another further check dated November 22, 1972, Bankamericard, $106.50. Is this your check? Mr. DEAN. Yes, it is. Senator GURNEY. Did that go for credit card payments? Mr. DEAN. Yes, it, did. Senator GURNEY. Then dropping further down, another In March to the American Express Co. for $531.45. Is this your check? MR. DEAN. That is correct. Senator GURNEY. And another in April, American Express Co., Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator GURNEY. 'Now, I don't know whether there. are others or not, because we don't have all of the, financial records. Mr. DEAN. I am sure there are. Senator. Senator GURNEY. Do you have any recollection what those were for? Mr. DEAN. Off the top, I do not. As I have told the committee I am perfectly willing to turn over all of my financial records to the committee where these can be fully analyzed. I believe in my own records will be found the stubs that indicate that each expenditure is for a given credit card payment. I know that because of the result of some foreign travel, -when I did use my credit cards when traveling abroad, some, of the foreign travel particularly takes as much as 6 months to a year, which surprised me, to catch up to make a payment. Senator GURNEY. I See. Do you have an air travel credit card? Mr. DEAN. No,; I do not. Senator GURNEY. You would pay for your air travel either off American Express or Bankamericard? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. or by cash. Senator GURNEY. Let me ask the chief counsel of the. committee, have we subpenaed the financial records? Mr. DASH. We have subpenaed all the records of Mr. Dean and we also have, one, of our chief Investigators, Mr. Carmine Bellino, who will be going over those records with Mr. Dean. [00.39.18-DEAN totally defeats GURNEY'S effort to discredit his account of the meeting with KALMBACH (this tape, tcr= 00.28.56)-it's totally hilarious] Mr. DEAN. I might go back over one point. The name of the coffee shop at the Statler Hilton is the Mayflower. [Applause.] [the audience loves it, GURNEY appears chagrined, ERVIN pounds gavel] Senator ERVIN. The audience -will please refrain from applause or demonstrating their reaction to any testimony. Senator GURNEY. IS that What your attorney just told you? Mr. DEAN. Yes, he did. Senator GURNEY. His memory apparently is much better than yours-- Mr. SHAFFER. Mr. Chairman, that was' Mr. McCandless. I would like to give him credit for that. [Laughter] [00.40.01]