Representative Charles Sandman (R - New Jersey) Now, I think that to say that this is the most unusual proceeding that I have ever been a part of would be a tremendous understatement. The thing that amuses me is it is as important as it is and even though it has been held in confidence behind closed doors, what I read in the papers from day to day led me to believe I could not have been here. I must have been somewhere else. We started in closed session and we swore by everything that was holy that we would uphold the rules of confidentiality. That has been joke of the century. There has been nothing confidential in this committee. Members of the other side have reported to the media, every hour on the hour, some every hour on the half hour. We have become first forum in the history of man to release to the public every shred of information we have before a single decision was ever made. When did that ever happen before? Never. But we have done it.
Speaker Pro Tempore, U.S. House Representative William Ratchford (D-CT) recognizes Rep. John Murtha Jr. (D-PA) who offers privileged House Resolution 268 for immediate consideration. Adult Caucasian female reads out the resolution: “Resolved, that Sala Burton, California, be, and is hereby elected to the Committee on Education and Labor to rank immediately following Representative [Gary] Ackerman [D-NY]; and to the Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs.” Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA) makes a parliamentary inquiry as to how much time will be allotted for the privileged resolution and who controls the time? Rep. Ratchford responds that the time is one hour and is under the control of Rep. Murtha Jr., who at the request of Rep. Dannemeyer, states that he will grant “reasonable time” to Rep. Dannemeyer or anyone in the minority party who wishes to speak. Rep. Ratchford recognizes Rep. Murtha Jr. for one hour.
As the English statesman, Edmund Burke said during an impeachment trial in 1788, "It is by this tribunal that statesmen who abuse their power are accused by statesmen and tried by statesmen, not upon the niceties of a narrow jurisprudence, but upon the enlarged and solid principles of state morality." Under the Constitution and under our authorization from the House of Representatives, this inquiry is neither a court of law nor a partisan proceeding. It is an inquiry which must result in a decision - a judgment based on the facts which must stand for all time.
Watergate is a serious matter. Many in and out of the White House have been involved with this tragic episode. But while voluminous evidence has been produced, I question seriously that it is of the clear and convincing nature that should impel us to indict the President on the charge of cover-up or obstruction of justice. Instead, the case against the President rests upon circumstantial evidence, inferences, innuendoes and a generous measure of wishful thinking on the part of some who would indict the President even without adequate proof of wrong doing in the Watergate affair.
Senator Sam Ervin. Who subsequently came from the White House staff to the Committee to Re-Elect the President? Robert Odle. Well, sir, a number of the people we see on those charts did. I could point, them out, for you if..... Senator Sam Ervin. Suppose you go to the chart, and identify the ones who subsequently came from the White House staff to the Committee to Re-Elect the President. [pan Odle walks to chart] Robert Odle. I probably should use this chart, because it's the larger one. Mr. MacGregor had been council. Mr. Sam Dash. Identify that, chart, for us. [closeups of charts] Robert Odle. I am sorry, this is the July 1 chart. Is that, the chart you would like me to review Senator, the second chart? Senator Sam Ervin. Yes, Robert Odle. Mr. MacGregor was counsel to the, President for Congressional Relations, Mr. Flemming, I mentioned before, Mr. LaRue had been a consultant. I had been at the White House. Mr. Faust had been at the scheduling office at the White House. Mr. Timmons was still there, he never was a member of the staff but just exercised sort of supervisory responsibility for the convention. Mr. Shumway had come from the White House. And as we said earlier, Mr. Porter had come from the White House. Mr. Malek had come from the White House. Mr. Chotiner had come from the White House. Senator Sam Ervin. Where does his name appear on the chart? Robert Odle. Pardon? Senator Sam Ervin. The last person. Robert Odle. Mr. Chotiner, he was director of ballot security.
U.S. House Representative Louis Stokes (D-OH) lists the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct’s recommendations to the whole House of Representatives. Those actions include official reprimand of two congressmen: Reps. Gerry Studds (D-MA) and Daniel Crane (R-IL). Rep. Stokes notes that Rep. Crane has admitted to, under oath, engaging in a sexual relationship with a seventeen-year-old female Congressional Page in 1980. Both parties testified that their relationship was consensual or no preferential treatment of any kind was given to the page. Rep. Studds has also admitted the same, but with a male Congressional page who may have been sixteen back in 1973, and that he made sexual advances to two other teenage male pages in 1973.
Wayne Owens (D Utah). I would hope that the President is watching this proceeding tonight. I feel that I have grown to know him intimately over the past 8 months. We who are about to vote on this new Article of Impeachment do not wish him the slightest personal harm. We recognize that there is tragedy involved. There is only good will on this committee and I believe that every member acts tonight in accordance with his or her conscience and in pursuit of a constitutional obligation. And I would hope that he would believe that.
U.S. Senator Charles Mathias (R-MD) comments on the source of authority for assassination plots against foreign leaders, says, “One thing that was asked of every witness involved in these events was, what was the source of his authority? Who order it or authorized it? Without exception every witness stated that he was authorized. When you get to the top of the bureaucratic ladder, the only source of authority would be the White House. This is a very important finding of the committee. This is why I referred to the need for a statutory charter for the intelligence community. There has to be a system of accountability, which insures that the intelligence community works with national policy and leadership. Without that we will be in great trouble in the future.”
Harold Donohue (D - Massachusetts). The time of the gentleman from California has expired. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Virginia, Mr. Butler, for 3 3/4 minutes. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). Thank you Mr. Chairman. I requested this time because I share with many members of this committee concern about the question that has been raised. And rather than address myself to some of the arguments I think I will use my chief resource person on the subject of Cambodia, the gentlelady from New York, if she would help me for a moment. The references were made to the Members of the Congress which were aware of these bombings and I would ask you if you would us what the testimony is with reference to that. Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). Well, I thank the gentleman. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). Please understand that I am not asking for an argument. You know Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). I understand. I thank the gentleman for his kind words and I will try to be of assistance. There is apparently some testimony that the following persons according to the Defense Department, were given information about the bombing, Senator Russell Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). Well, now Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). I would just list the names. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). What was Senator Russell's capacity at that moment? Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). He was chairman of the Appropriations Committee in the Senate. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). All right. Thank you. And next? Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). He is now deceased. Senator Dirksen, who is now deceased, was the minority leader according to the Defense Department. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). I understand that. Thank you. You are not vouching for these. Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). Senator Stennis, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, says that he does not remember being advised of the massiveness of the bombing. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). But the Defense Department did testify that Senator Stennis was aware of it? Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York). Yes. He said that he did not recall specific briefing and certainly does not remember being advised of the massiveness of the bombing. That is not a quote.
U.S. House Subcommittee on Environment and Public Works Chairman Robert Roe (D-NJ) questions EPA staff chief John E. Daniel, seated with his colleagues Eugene Lucero and Michael A. Brown at hearing; they discuss the subject of document preservation, access, and destruction; House Rep. Norman Mineta (D-CA) seated next to Rep. Roe. Daniel states that all documents the committee has requested have been provided and Rep. Roe argues that is not the point, and that the enforcement documents have not all been identified. Roe acknowledges that any subpoenaed documents are available, supposedly, but all enforcement documents have not been identified, because this is still an on-going process.
U.S. House Representative Roy Dyson (D-MD) voices the frustration of his constituents who did feel the U.S. response to the Soviet Union’s role in shooting down Korean Air Lines flight #007. Rep. Dyson also notes that he recently returned from a trip with the Armed Services Committee in which they traveled in the same airspace as KAL #007. He wishes Congress could do more than just pass a resolution, but do something that reflects the collective resolve of his constituents. Adult Caucasian male Chairman of the House turns to Rep. Clement Zablocki (D-WI) who yields two minutes to Rep. Bruce Vento (D-MN).
[00.30.29-WEICKER turns to questioning DEAN] Now, I know, Mr. Dean, that I have been making you sit through an event that you only had a small part in but I think it is important. Mr. DEAN. If I might just add, Senator, there may be a parallel story but I don't pretend--but I Would not like to get into it right now-as far as efforts to attack my own character in some of the individuals that I have become aware that have been involved in that, also. Senator WEICKER. Let me ask you this: Have there been any attempts to influence you in your testimony regarding your testimony before this committee? Mr. DEAN. There had been every effort in the world to make me look in the worst possible light, to try to intimidate me through that process, to try to make it as difficult as possible for me to testify. That has occurred. Yes. [00.31.20-Sen. WEICKER states that he has had enough of the subterfuge and chicanery] Senator WEICKER. Let's put it this way: whether it is you in that Witness chair or whether it Is me in this committee chair or any other man in back of this table or any other witness who is going to come before this committee, there are going to be no more threats, no intimidation no innuendo, no working through the press to go ahead and destroy the credibility of individuals. if the executive branch of Government wants to meet the standards that the American people set for it in their mind then the time has come to stop reacting and stop playing this type of a game, and either disavow it completely or make the very specific charges that apparently are being leaked out either against the committee members, or against the witnesses appearing before this committee. Now I am going to conclude this way, Mr. Chairman, and then I am done, and I have tried to, as I say, accomplish one role that I think needed accomplishing in these hearings: among the rumors that are floated around, and this isn't hearsay, are on three different occasions Plants to the effect that I am such a disloyal Republican and I am going to switch to the Democratic Party. [00.32.43-WEICKER defends his Republican status and seeks to separate the Party from the kinds of actions that have been described] Now, I am going to tell you, in your memorandum, Mr. Dean, you went ahead and had me described, whether it was you or Mr. Haldeman or whoever was there, as an independent who would give the White House trouble. But I say before you and I say before the American people and this committee that I am here as a Republican and, quite frankly, I think that I express the feelings of the 42 other Republican Senators that I work with, and the Republicans of the State of Connecticut and, in fact, the Republican Party, far better than these illegal, unconstitutional, and gross acts which have been committed over the past several months by various individuals. Let me make it clear because, I have got to have my partisan moment, Republicans do not, cover up; Republicans do not go ahead and threaten; Republicans do not go ahead and commit illegal acts; and God knows Republicans don't view their fellow Americans as enemies to be harassed but rather, I can assure you, that this Republican, and those that I serve with, look upon every American as human beings to be loved and wanted, Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. [Applause.] [00.34.26] Senator BAKER. Senator Weicker, thank you very much. I think that it might be in order at this time to remark that I had the opportunity to discuss this matter with you this morning before the committee hearings began and, at that time, you and I discussed the possibility that if there were, in fact, indications that anyone had tried to create an atmosphere or to produce a malicious impact on any witness or any member of this committee, that under the. statute law and according to the precepts of fair play, that would be a legitimate inquiry for the staff of this committee and for the other law enforcement agencies of the country. So may I call on you, and any other member of this committee and, in the absence of the chairman, but I am sure that I speak his sentiments as well, to say that as, if, and when we develop information of past occurrences that ought to be investigated, and certainly of future ones, relating to any person, relating to any witness, relating to a member of this committee that, that will promptly be investigated by the staff of this committee surely within the scope and jurisdiction our effort. With that, it is 5:30 and I would ask the sentiment of my colleagues on whether we should continue at this time or adjourn until 10 in the morning. If there is no objection, then the committee will stand in recess until 10 tomorrow morning. [00.36.08]
Senator GURNEY. Were your conversations in the nature of a report to him. Mr. ODLE. No, not really. We provided on some occasions reports and copies of memorandums to Mr. Straun so he would know what was going on. Senator GURNEY. Did you ever see in the course of your duties White House personnel in the Committee to Re-elect office? Mr. ODLE. Oh yes. Senator GURNEY. Who were they? Mr. ODLE. Well, various people from the White House would come over to the committee from time to time during, the committee was there for two years. The President came over one day, and shook hands. There were a number of White House officials that came through the committee from time to time. Senator GURNEY. Who made frequent visits? Mr. ODLE. (pauses) Uh, there was a convention strategy group that was looking at the convention, that met at the committee. Senator GURNEY. Who were they? Mr. ODLE. It was made up of representatives of the Republican National committee. Senator GURNEY. I'm talking about the White House people. Mr. ODLE. The White House people, that's what I was going to get. Mr. Timmons came over from time to time. Senator GURNEY. Anybody else in connection with the convention? Mr. ODLE. Mr. Caruthers, Mr. Good. Senator GURNEY. What other people came over from time to time? Mr. ODLE. I just can't remember right now Senator exactly who it was that came to the committee from the White House, it was a very busy time. Senator GURNEY. Well, did you ever see Mr. Haldeman in the office to re-elect at all? Mr. ODLE. Only once, only once and that was when the President came to shake hands with the staff members. Senator GURNEY. And what about Mr. (Ehrlich) ? Mr. ODLE. I never, I saw him there once. Senator GURNEY. Do you know what his mission was at that time, or did you just see him come in? Mr. ODLE. Yes sir, I just saw him. Senator GURNEY. Mr. Dean, did you ever see him there? Mr. ODLE. Yes, I saw Mr. Dean a couple of times. Senator GURNEY. Do you know what his purposes were when he visited? Mr. ODLE. No I do not. Senator GURNEY. Do you know anything about the surveillance operations that may have been conducted by the committee to re-elect the president? Mr. ODLE. Absolutely not. Senator GURNEY. Do you know anything about any of the sabotage operations that may have been conducted by the committee to re-elect the president? Mr. ODLE. Only what I have read in the newspapers. Senator GURNEY. I have no further questions.
U.S. House Representative Parren Mitchell (D-MD) is not satisfied with clarification made to Simpson-Mazzoli Bill: "It's so easy for those in this House, who have never been the victims of oppression or surveillance, to say that we are making the safeguards, and the House would have to vote to protect it." Mitchell asks for more time, is granted more time by Rep. Edward Roybal. Mitchell continues voicing concerns, fervently advocates there should not even be the suggestion or possibility of national identification program. Roybal yields to Rep. William Donlon Edwards (D-CA) who asks for Roybal's observations. Roybal explains strategy in legal language that would have to reconciled in committee with the Senate.
Democratic National Committee members at platform hearing. Adult males and females seated at long tables, applauding. U.S. House Representative Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY) thanks U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate Gary Hart (D-CO); adult African American male speaks to D.C. Mayor Marion Barry in FG, prompting Barry to leave. Rep. Ferraro opens floor to questions. Sen. Hart listens to adult female's (o/s) question if timing and content of his policy speech would have been better served after the election. Snippets of Sen. Hart speaking before Rep. Ferraro asks that questions be limited to topics the witnesses testify to, then calls on Tom Cronin; Samuel Shapiro, Russell Price, and Syracuse Mayor Lee Alexander seated next to Rep. Ferraro.
Hart asks why, if the intelligence agencies were using the Huston plan's illegal tactics already, intelligence wasn't as good as the White House felt it should have been - Huston responds that the agencies need a shakeup in organization, he goes on to say what he likes and dislikes about the CIA and FBI and states that the Senate Committee should implement some of these changes
In response to a Mathias question Huston says that the problem currently with intelligence agencies is that sometimes is are too much in the control of the White House leading to their abuse by partisan politics and sometimes they act too independently of the rest of the government, the committee's task, Huston says, is to make the agencies political abuse free but still accountable for their actions
Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). I thank the lady, the gentlelady. I would ask our staff resource person here. Your name is? J. Stephen Walker. J Stephen Walker. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). Mr. Walker. Does your information indicate that any other persons in the leadership of the Congress were advised of this? J. Stephen Walker. We have indication that Dr. Morgan in the House of Representatives was advised. Mr. Mahon in the House of Representatives was advised. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia). Mr. Ford? J. Stephen Walker. And Mr. Ford was advised. And it should be also noted that there has not been a single individual who has definitively contradicted the representations that these selected members were advised. Recollection of the details varies from member to member.
Low angle view looking up at elderly adult Caucasian male's bandaged head; he is seated and taking notes. U.S. House Representative Claude Pepper (D-FL) speaks (o/s) on decreased funding and services in regards to medical treatments states can afford to provide their elderly residents; extreme close-up of injured man's face. Rep. Geraldine Ferraro (D-FL) taking notes; zoom out to Reps. Ferraro and Pepper seated next to one another. Rep. Ferraro leans back in her chair to converse with adult Caucasian male seated behind her. At the conclusion of his remarks, Rep. Pepper thanks the Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Aging, Edward Roybal (D-CA) who recognizes the next speaker.
[=00.12.25-ERVIN questions DEAN about the hoops DEAN has to jump through to access his WHITE HOUSE files.] Senator ERVIN. Who originally denied you the right to copy them? Mr. DEAN. Well, when I was-my resignation was requested on the 30th, I recalled a, call from my secretary who said "What do I do?" They are in here putting bands around all your safes and all your material." And I said, "Just, let them band it all." And subsequently they transferred it all down to the basement of the Executive Office Building. Senator ERVIN. Did you talk to any individuals up there about having the right of access to them and the -right to have your files copied by Xerox or otherwise? Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir. I had my counsel send a letter, and I sat down and talked with Mr. Buzhardt and Mr. Buzhardt just said, "I am sorry, I cannot do anything for you about it." Senator ERVIN. Is he, not the White House counsel now? Mr. DEAN. He is a special counsel on the Watergate. [00.13.20] Senator ERVIN. Special counsel on Watergate and Mr. Buzhardt refused to allow you, or at least, he declined your request? Mr. DEAN. To permit me to copy; yes, sir. In fact, they were permitting me earlier to make some copies. My chronofiles which I would like to have just for future use., and my secretary was stopped from making any copies. Senator ERVIN. Unless there is some objection from some member of the Committee, I will direct the, staff of the committee to communicate with the White House and ask the White House to give Mr. Dean access to his files and also the, privilege of copying them by Xerox or other means. [00.14.06-Locking up DEAN'S files from him appears to be a last-ditch WHITE HOUSE effort to maintain the COVERUP] Mr. DEAN. I think. that a number of the questions that Senator Montoya asked about, executive privilege could also be answered if I had access to some of my files on executive privilege. I might add also that my office files were not, only contained in my own personal files, but they are contained in other members Of my staff who I do -not believe their files have been bound, and I would hope to have the opportunity to Check things that I knew they were working on for me that, relate to many of these items. [00.14.37] Senator ERVIN. And without objection on the part of the committee, I would request your counsel to supply the committee a copy of the letter to the President, asking for access to these files. Mr. SHAFFER. We will do that, Mr. Chairman. Senator ERVIN. Thank you very much. Senator INOUYE. Mr. Dean, You have just indicated that one of Our colleagues, the senior Senator from Massachusetts, was placed under surveillance. Was this electronic? Mr. DEAN. Not to my knowledge. It was initially--- Senator INOUYE. Any break-ins, burglaries? Mr. DEAN. Not to my knowledge. Senator INOUYE. Were members of his staff also subjected to this? [00.15.19-DEAN talks about getting dirt on Ted KENNEDY] Mr. DEAN. I do not know. I think there was some effort to make contact or do some examination of some of the. women who were also present during the Chappaquiddick incident, and there may have been some investigations made of them also. I do not have all the, details On this, and I am afraid that others, Mr. Caulfield and Mr. Ulasewicz, can tell you most about that. I do not, know, if Mr. Hunt is going to appear, but apparently he did an investigation for Mr. Colson of Mr. Kennedy, Senator Kennedy, also. [00.15.58-INOUYE asks DEAN about HALDEMAN and EHRLICHMAN devising strategy to deal with the ERVIN COMMITTEE] Senator INOUYE. On February 10 and 11, Important meetings were held in La Costa? Mr. DEAN. February 10 and 11, correct. Senator INOUYE. February 10 and 11, which have extra significance to this committee because from your testimony, I recall that On top of the agenda was the, discussion of the makeup of this panel. Mr. DEAN. That is correct. I believe the Senator recalls my comment on that. [00.16.24] Senator INOUYE. Did the meetings go beyond just the discussion of the background of panel members; did it go into how to influence how to intimidate, threaten? Mr. DEAN. Not at that point, sir, and I do not recall that. It -was more just an assessment of who, I think the White House was looking for friends on the committee then, you know, so they might, find out what the committee was going to do, was the initial concern. [00.16.57] Senator INOUYE. I refer to an article which appeared in the Charlotte Observer, dated May 17, 1973, and it reads as follows: "High officials in the North Carolina Republican Party confirmed Wednesday that H. R. (Bob) Haldeman, at the time President Nixon's chief of staff, made two attempts to get local parry officials to 'dig up something to discredit Ervin and blast him with it.' According to the sources, Haldeman placed two phone calls to former White House aide Harry Dent and asked Dent to relay The suggestion to State Republican Chairman Frank Rouse." Who is Harry Dent? [00.17.46]
Representative Charles Sandman (R - New Jersey) And then when we think about releasing information, I am wondering. We have released tens of thousands of pages to the public and the, media, to the media to destroy, if they choose and some people in the media like to do that. And this involved hundreds of innocent people. Where was the American Civil Liberties Union about that? Isn't it strange that they have been remarkably silent. But willy nilly, we have been willing through one method or another to give to the media for whatever method they want to use it, every shred of evidence that exists, and most of it is not evidence. The interesting thing about this, too, is what happened the other day, just for example. One thing that apparently the media hadn't had yet was the large document that had 715 pages in it about miscellaneous documents. I was asked and so were the other members of this committee asked to vote for this willy nilly without the discussion of a single page or a single document. That is hardly the way to conduct good hearing, is it? But that is the way we have been working. Fortunately, that was defeated.
Robert Odle returns to his seat. Fred Thompson. Mr. Odle referring back to your first chart, which fits the organization that Mr. Mitchell was the director of the committee, and your budget committee, I believe you said that your budget committee was comprised of members from both the finance committee and the committee to re-elect, is that correct? Robert Odle. Yes sir it is. Fred Thompson. What about Mr. Malek, at that present time where was he employed? Robert Odle. Mr. Malek came to the committee on a full time basis July 1 as deputy campaign director. He, in addition to that before exercised some supervisory function over some of the citizens groups and also sat in on budget committee meetings. Fred Thompson. Was he at the White House prior to this time? Robert Odle. Yes. Fred Thompson. Did he sit in on budget committee meetings at some time when he was at the White House? Robert Odle. I believe so.
Clerk is counting the votes on his tally Clerk. Mr. Chairman. Peter Rodino (D New Jersey). The clerk will report. Clerk. Twenty-one members have voted Aye, 17 members have voted No. Peter Rodino (D New Jersey). And the amendment is agreed to and on the resolution Article III is adopted and will be reported to the House together with the Donohue resolution embodying Articles I and II. And the Chair will recess until 4:15.
U.S. House Representative Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY) first asks to revise and extend her remarks before voicing her support for the House Joint Resolution 353 condemning the Soviet Union in shooting down Korean Air Lines #007. Rep. Ferraro shares a story of a friend and her physician (of twenty-three years), and his wife who were aboard the plane. She talks of his care for his patients to go along with his pioneering laser beam research for cancer. Rep. Ferraro also highlights leisure activities spent enjoying the ballet, music, and the arts. She thanks the committee for bringing the resolution to the floor and urges its unanimous passage. Adult Caucasian male Chairman of the Whole House recognizes Rep. William Broomfield (R-MI) who yields two minutes to Rep. Daniel Lungren (R-CA), who asks to revise and extend his remarks.